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▲ timschmidt 3 hours ago

I'm not OP, but it seems to me that LLMs offer extraordinary access to new skills and information to the uninitiated. Someone who has a positive experience creating a game like this is only a question away from learning details of how it was implemented, the language used, the architectural choices and rationale, etc. The LLM is a competent tutor in all. What I would have given as a child for such access... I had to make due with the help docs, and an occasional book from the library.

▲ThrowawayR2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "...only a question away from learning details of how it was implemented..."

That question will never be asked and we all know it. It's been demonstrated time and time again that the masses prefer entertainment to enlightenment and it is still being demonstrated today by the high rate of AI assisted cheating in high schools and colleges.

▲esquivias 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When I was a kid I did not understand what Game Genie "cheat codes" were doing, but it did not stop my curiosity and ultimate understanding of what was happening behind the scenes. This feels like the next iteration and I know _some_ kids will ask questions.

▲drusepth 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> That question will never be asked and we all know it.

I asked that question today. After years of working in Unity, I finally downloaded Unreal and spun up a quick game literally so I could poke around how it was implemented, and have been asking questions nonstop about what, how, and why things were implemented with a hands-on experiment.

Lots of people won't ask that question, but also lots of people most certainly will.

▲coveredlightbul 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Worse. IF they DO ask the question, the answer is now

> You prompt a LLM and it just happens.

The bar for enlightenment is now further away as people are taught to expressively stop chasing it.

▲timschmidt 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That question will never be asked and we all know it.

You and I know different children. Mine give me the opposite impression. The questions have no end. I think that's a good thing.

▲fapjacks 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Literally every child asks questions nonstop. In the vast majority of cases, that doesn't stick into adulthood.

▲timschmidt 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm kind of hopeful that the "always helpful and courteous" personality of LLMs unless pushed intentionally will lead to more positive experiences around inquisitiveness in the youth. And more ability to retain it into adulthood. Even though I'm unsure about the second-order effects on human-human interaction.

▲rubikscube09 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

why should they learn it? for what purpose? We used to learn these things so that we could use that knowledge to create more. now there's no reason to learn it, other than pure curiosity.

▲alwa 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why should you learn anything? Because it helps you ask better questions, and gives you more and different experience to draw connections between things and situations and ideas. It lets you do more stuff, and doing stuff is fun.

Having recently sat with a bunch of non-coders who decided to play with Claude Code—they learned more in an afternoon than they had in a lifetime, just because it was fun for it to get them to a thing they wanted. Versus months of drudgery and study as the price of entry (and an end result that would probably be super janky compared to the consumer products on offer to them).

I learned some about carpentry by reading, and by watching videos. I learned much more, much faster, by picking up bits of wood and tools and just doing. I did little dumb stuff that was trash but that was mine, and that was satisfying enough that I did more, and before I knew it I’d backed my way into picking up some scraps of proper technique.

And now so many more people with a vague itch can “just do” in relation to software systems.

▲fapjacks 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean. Nerds have always existed and will always exist. But, the last couple of decades, it's just been fashionable to "be nerdy". They're faking it. So you're right: Most people won't. But there are reasons why people think people should or would, even if those reasons are wrong. I'm very cynical in my advanced age about peoples' willingness to learn things. All those "go into STEM" efforts aimed at little kids are just fluff. Most people don't enjoy learning. They hate it. Most people just want to watch TV in bed. AI is an amazing teacher, but most people don't want to learn. They're averse to it in their bones. It's like that t-shirt with the picture of french fries on it that says "not everyone can be an astronaut": Yeah well not everyone can be a nerd.

▲anonymous908213 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲dang 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can you please stop posting curmudgeonly comments, shallow dismissals, and even personal attacks (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50433292)?

These things are against HN's guidelines, and you've unfortunately been doing them repeatedly. This is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

▲danielmarkbruce 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was a kid, and I have 2 of them. My experience has been kids curiosity works top down, not bottom up. As such, instant gratification turns into curiosity or wanting a slight variation or whatever, and bit by bit they learn.

▲tintor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you sure?

The kid is doing game design with hand drawn sketches and game mechanic, as now he has his own team of software engineers and artists to make his vision a reality.

▲ericd 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ve been hand coding a contra-style game with ours, and also importing their drawings as all the monsters, it’s incredibly exciting for them to see their work going right into the game. Highly recommend it.

▲dolebirchwood 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let the kids get burned out on vibecoded vidya slop. Maybe they'll get bored enough to start playing outside again.