But your test doesnt work if the baby/fetus etc. is a person, which is what abortion opponents think. If its a person then your test (does the woman have autonomy to make decisions about her body) has a contradiction. In that case, one expression (abortion) of one person's autonomy would transgress the other. You are not actually addressing the crux of the issue so your argument only works for people who already agree the fetus isn’t a person, which is the very thing being disputed. You have to address if the thing inside the tummy is a person or not, and when.

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lotsofpulp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't posit a test. The previous posts discuss [women's] bodily autonomy, so either one can assume women should always have bodily autonomy, or the other option which is women sometimes do not have bodily autonomy.

>You have to address if the thing inside the tummy is a person or not, and when.

As an aside, the data overwhelmingly shows neither women nor doctors are choosing to abort viable fetuses willy nilly. The real world effect is, as the data shows, to cause doctors to think about their financial and criminal liabilities before their patients' well being.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/raw-data-abor...

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nonethewiser 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>so either one can assume women should always have bodily autonomy, or the other option which is women sometimes do not have bodily autonomy

Framing it as a question of women's bodily autonomy assumes there is only one person involved, which is exactly what abortion opponents dispute. So your framing doesn't settle the issue.

The crux of the issue is if and when the thing in the tummy is a person.

	▲	Forgeties79 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Yes and you keep asserting this as if it’s some revelation. We all know. You ask us to acknowledge the stakes for them, yet they push forward as if the matter of personhood has been clearly decided (it hasn’t). Do you tell them the same thing? They have taken away a the right for somebody to control what happens with their body even though allowing it has no impact on what they do with theirs. That is a huge decision to make without a concrete basis.