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▲ pfdietz 3 hours ago

I remember a quote from Bruce Sterling in Wired some years ago:

"Real futurism means staring directly into your own grave and accepting the slow but thorough obliteration of everyone and everything you know and love."

The sufficiently distant future is a place where you (and they) won't be. Time capsules can be seen as a cry into this abyss.

▲d_silin an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yet we remember the name and works of Homer, almost 3000 years old.

▲baxtr 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Let’s assume he was real. What’s the benefit to him that he’s remembered?

This is not a rhetorical question. Maybe some of your offspring has higher chances of survival if you’re remembered?

▲grey-area an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We only have 2 books out of around 16 from Homer, so a lot has been lost already.

▲seemaze 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's a fairly close correlation to the claim in TFA!

▲da_chicken an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, except Homer is likely ahistorical.

And the Trojan Epic Cycle contained eight epic poems. We just only have two of them. We've also lost the rest of the epic poems. We have a fraction of what was considered great even 1,200 years ago.

▲nonameiguess 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm disheartened that the immediate first response to you is basically "no, humans will be immortal soon enough."

Of course, nothing is immortal. All matter in the universe will eventually be subsumed into supermassive black holes, then spend the next thousands of quadrillions of years slowly evaporating into nothingness via Hawking radiation. I would very much like for my life to be longer than it is, to possibly witness the entire arc of all human civilization, but I sure as shit don't want to experience eternity as undifferentiated non-baryonic matter causally disconnected from all other matter. Death may come very far into the future for certain types of life that don't yet exist, or certain types of information sinks that can act but would not have been considered "life" by existing biological definitions, but it will still come, and if you live enough, it will be welcome.

Personally, I take a lot of comfort in this. Not a single one of us, not Charlemagne, not Khan, not Elon Musk, matter any more than an amoeba in the truly grand scheme of the cosmos. Even a hypothetical type III civilization is just as much dust as the Mayans in the long run. Conversely, within our own little sphere of influence, we all matter as much as a god.

I get why life has this ambition. I feel it, too. It's the reason we exist in the first place. But we're able to recognize it for what it is, the illusion of an imperative handed down by semi-random behaviors selected for no better reason than they made it more likely for their associated genes to proliferate. There is no actual imperative. That frees you to live within the confines of a tractable life of tractable ambitions. Be the absolute best person you can be to a small group of sentient creatures you happened to exist alongside for somewhere between a few decades to a century. Don't set the planet on fire and neglect your own family in an attempt to become a comic book hero.

▲Shorel 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't care about absolutes.

Give me 500 years of life with good health and I will be more than satisfied.

▲ARandomerDude 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Until year 499. We need eternal life, not pretty long life.

▲rickydroll an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You might want to read Cordwainer Smith's take on immortality, such as "The Rediscovery of Man."

▲echelon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a temporary state. Eventually humans won't die. Consciousness will be uploaded, memories preserved.

We aren't that far away from being able to decode thoughts, memories, and the visual cortex from brains. That's going to leap forward quickly.

Maybe the future will reverse the light cone and revisit everyone and everything that has ever lived. Maybe we're in their simulation.

Maybe the reason we don't see alien AI swarms is because they don't travel in spatial dimensions.

All sci-fi conjecture and fantasy, but brain scanning will get good.

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Edit because HN rate limits me:

> And then in 10^33 years you'll fight viciously for the last pockets of negentropy.

Our physicists claim to have models of how time began and will end. They don't concretely know. With the new observatories, new models are being suggested and old ones discarded. Will Lamda CDM hold?

We still have infant eyes. So much lies beyond the limits of our detection. And frankly, projections of the end of the universe are doomer-coded because society is looking for it to be that way.

▲dontwannahearit 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh god, dictators that live forever. Wealth that can be amassed and hoarded across a billion natural lifespans. Orwells boot stamping on a human face for eternity made real.

Death is a feature not a bug.

▲pfdietz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Probably not a realistic view of the future, since those dictators won't need citizens.

▲tyjen 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What's the point of being a dictator if you cannot actively demonstrate your abuse of power on and in the presence of other people?

▲10111001 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Probably not a realistic view of the future, since those dictators won't need citizens.

Oh the dictators will still need citizens, but only to stomp on their human faces forever.

▲somenameforme 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This doesn't even make any sense. 'Uploading your consciousness' means you are given two tools - a brain scanner and a gun with one bullet. You're still dead. And the chatbot created in your likeness will also inevitably find itself getting wiped as well.

Life, and consciousness, is absurd enough (yet certainly real) that I'm fully open to the possibility of further absurdities happening once we die, but I think it's an absolute certainty that we're all going to die. And accepting this is quite important because it rather dramatically influences one's life philosophy.

▲unrented7977 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Meat isn't magical. There's nothing supernatural about a brain. It's all clockwork machinery all the way down.

A digital copy of a mind is no less alive than your children. They are, after all, nothing more than lossy copies of yourself.

▲onion2k an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Consciousness will be uploaded, memories preserved.

Preserved maybe, but never viewed by anyone. They might as well be gone.

▲pfdietz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds sufficiently different from me that it won't be me.

If I'm going to identify with some future entity that's very different from me it might as well be something newly arisen, not something having a copy of some of my memories somewhere.

I guess those archived memories are the ultimate time capsule. If that becomes common they'll ultimately go the way of all archives.

Relevant recent SMBC: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/chip

▲bananaflag 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And then in 10^33 years you'll fight viciously for the last pockets of negentropy.

▲gatlin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Consciousness will be uploaded to where, some digital prison that also has resource requirements the same as a biological entity? Since you are leaping into the fire with such confidence I will exhort you with a counter proposal to seek Christ.