| ▲ | oooyay 6 hours ago |
| I, as a shareholder, do not care if the CEO is having an affair so long as the business is not affected. If you can establish the latter, then his personal conduct is between him and his partner. What I am extra curious about is why is Alice Huang not being rigorously investigated prior to or alongside all of this? If these allegations are true then what she did amounts to treason and a variety of other things. Failing to register as a foreign agent is another. She, at the very least, should be held by the US the same way we hold other foreign nationals charged with treason. |
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| ▲ | root_axis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I, as a shareholder, do not care if the CEO is having an affair so long as the business is not affected There are 100 different ways that the CEO falling victim to an espionage plot could impact the business. |
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| ▲ | oooyay 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Please use the whole quote: > I, as a shareholder, do not care if the CEO is having an affair so long as the business is not affected. If you can establish the latter, then his personal conduct is between him and his partner. If you read the second sentence then you and I agree. I care if the business is affected, I don't if it is not and then the rest of this is a personal matter that doesn't need to be a news story because it is gossip. | | |
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| ▲ | chrishare 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perhaps there should be an investigation? Perhaps the existing awareness of this relationship of his is cause for the board announcing publicly this investigation? | | |
| ▲ | oooyay an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sure? I didn't disagree with doing an investigation. I simply stated what I was curious to understand and what I cared about. It seems like a lot of people replying particularly care about the fact that he cheated on his wife and would like others to. I simply stated that only matters if the affair, in itself, actually resulted in nvidia being compromised. | | |
| ▲ | root_axis 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > It seems like a lot of people replying particularly care about the fact that he cheated on his wife People care because the cheating puts him in a potentially compromising situation, especially in the context of corporate espionage. It's not that complicated. |
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| ▲ | enraged_camel 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. For one, it makes them vulnerable to blackmail, so their decisions can no longer be trusted. | | |
| ▲ | rescbr 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | But the cat is out of the bag, so the blackmail won't work anymore. |
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| ▲ | ElProlactin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > ...so long as the business is not affected. This isn't some hypothetical situation. The woman Huang admitted having an affair with was an executive at a data center company that bought billions of dollars of Nvidia chips and is suspected of having smuggled them to China. She was allegedly recruited by China's Ministry of State Security to not only gather intelligence from Huang but to try to influence him to lobby for relaxed chip exports to China. We don't know how "influential" she was but pushing for less stringent export controls on Nvidia's chips is exactly what Huang has been doing. |
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| ▲ | somenameforme an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Less stringent export controls are also what he would and should have been arguing for both as a business executive and, paradoxically, probably even even if he was lobbying for US interests. US leadership keeps making the same dumb mistake. When you restrict access to some advanced technology to another technologically advanced country, it's not like the other country just cries and beg you to give it back. Nothing is so advanced that it can't be replicated. So you going from the other country being fully dependent upon you (putting you at an economic/geopolitical edge) to urgently incentivizing them to make their own advances in the restricted industry, which may eventually surpass your own achievements. For instance the Wolf Amendment [1] is the reason China was never allowed on the 'international' ISS. [1] The idea is that they'd just steal all of our tech or something. So it simply led to the Chinese creating their own space station while the ISS continues to deteriorate with no replacement in sight. Same thing with chips. Come back to this post in ~15 years. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment | | |
| ▲ | ElProlactin 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Less stringent export controls are also what he would and should have been arguing for both as a business executive and, paradoxically, probably even even if he was lobbying for US interests. You're missing the point, which is that once you've been compromised by a foreign intelligence service, it doesn't matter whether or not what you were lobbying for was logical or "right". What matters is that your relevant actions have been tainted and motivations can no longer be fully trusted, so you lose your credibility. Nvidia's board is probably going to try to do what it can to look like it's taking this matter seriously without terminating Huang, but that's because there's no succession plan at Nvidia. Huang's political clout is gone, and he may never get it back. | | |
| ▲ | somenameforme 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm not missing that at all and I fully agree with you. I'm just saying his actions don't condemn him in any way which would also mean it was likely a bad play by China. Ostensibly it's understandable wanting to get an inside with him, but if his natural path forward aligns with your interest then there's not much to be gained, and a potentially significant amount to lose, because now it will predictably result in knee-jerk reactions. |
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| ▲ | oooyay an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you think that's at competition with what I said? I don't think so. I simply stated that his affair either has the power to be demonstrably important here or not at all. I am responding to threads and threads full of people that seem to mostly care about the fact that he had an affair. | | |
| ▲ | ElProlactin an hour ago | parent [-] | | You stated "...so long as the business is not affected." Let's be clear, again: Huang has admitted an affair with a woman who was an executive at a company that bought billions of dollars of Nvidia chips that may have been smuggled to China, and it turns out she was allegedly a Chinese spy. Her apparent mission: gather intelligence and influence Huang, who has a close relationship with the US president, to lobby for relaxed chip exports to China. Which is what he has been doing. Huang admitted the affair in an email to company employees, and the Nvidia board of directors has launched an investigation. By any reasonable definition, the business is clearly affected. | | |
| ▲ | oooyay 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I don't believe we've established that beyond the fact that the US is kind of moralist and it's important to onlookers. We don't really know whether it's materially affected the business yet. |
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| ▲ | Merrill 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And, as politician Jesse Unruh famously said - "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them in the morning, you've got no business being up here." Jesse M. Unruh, a powerful former Speaker of the California State Assembly. CEOs should be at least as resistant to influence as politicians. |
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| ▲ | dofm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I, as a shareholder, do not care if the CEO is having an affair so long as the business is not affected. This is actually a pretty challenging standard, because the moment the CEO tries to gaslight their spouse/partner that it's not an affair, they are already at risk of bringing the company into a deception: working late is almost always the cover, for one thing. But at that moment you have a substantially compromised person as a CEO. This might seem a silly place to draw the line, but consider what the escalations are — the CEO's PA being asked to mislead the spouse, inventing a meeting they were at, inventing an away trip, etc. etc.; they always mount up. There is no executive who has an affair who doesn't pretend they are at work, and there's no pretence that doesn't ultimately put an employee in a difficult position. It's entirely reasonable for a board to say that if the CEO or the chairman is having an affair it is their business. And this is before you even consider that the affair is ordinarily likely to be with an employee. Now, if a CEO at Huang's level of geopolitical importance is having an affair with anyone, it's the government's business, and the shareholders', because it makes them a (local and international, commercial and state-level) blackmail and espionage target even if they are not literally boffing a spy, which in this case he evidently is. So yeah, it matters. |
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| ▲ | zirkonit 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm sorry, but how can a Chinese national living in Singapore be charged for treason in US? Doesn't the concept of treason presume some kind of loyalty to the state in question, usually through citizenship? |
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| ▲ | dofm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right. Nothing much that can be done here, though she might not want to visit relatives on holiday. | |
| ▲ | coro_1 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yup treason is the correct term if Alice Huang were a US Citizen. But they're not. |
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| ▲ | dualvariable 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I, as a shareholder, do not care if the CEO is having an affair so long as the business is not affected. This is really naive. And I bet other people could do other questionable things that you'd consider to color their entire character and render them untrustworthy. |
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| ▲ | rustystump 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I, as a shareholder, do care. It isnt about moralism. Sony america lost their ceo because he was banging some 20yo as a perk to sign a contract with another media company and she got mad about it when her side didnt pan out (no acting roles). It is bad for business. Thats all. Him doing this is bad for Nvidia and bad for shareholders. |
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| ▲ | cainxinth 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If nothing else, it's a distraction. And it tarnishes the street's golden image of NVIDIA. | |
| ▲ | oooyay 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That is a quid pro quo, that is not the same as simply having an affair with another powerful executive. | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What is wrong with these VIPs? I always thought when you become a big, important CEO or politician, they gave you The Book and the first chapter says "Just bang your hot Chinese mistress. Don't tell her any secrets." Jeez, how dumb are these guys? | | |
| ▲ | nemomarx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you tried having sex with someone for an extended time and not catching some emotions? It's tough. |
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| ▲ | shitloadofbooks 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You in a few years time: "I can't believe this person who lied and cheated, lied and cheated to ME." |
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| ▲ | oooyay 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you'll be rather disappointed. This is a view I've held since college that's stayed with me to this day. The same logic I see on display in this thread is what I heard when Republicans were going after Bill Clinton. The fact that he lied was the cherry on top, they were very eager to charge him with some kind of moral crime. The fact that the moral crime existed was a giant distraction to the actual risks, and the risks largely didn't exist if the moral crime did not exist. |
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| ▲ | rayiner 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If someone is willing to cheat on their spouse, do you think they'll have any compunction about cheating their employees and shareholders? |
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| ▲ | khriss 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cheating employees is practically entry level stakes for being a CEO. Not only is it tolerated, it's celebrated(at least in the United States). Cheating shareholders, esp large ones is a big no no since there are real consequences for CEOs engaging in such behaviour. | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I certainly don't condone it but nonetheless the underlying motivations as well as the potential consequences of those behaviors seem almost entirely unrelated to me. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | In both cases, someone breaches a confidential trust in order to pursue a self-serving motivation, and lies in order to avoid potential consequences. | | |
| ▲ | machomaster 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's myopic of you to assume that every marriage is the same and that having mistress would constitute a breach of confidential trust. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I made no such assumption. My post was about “cheating,” because that is what Huang did. |
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| ▲ | jimz 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It speaks more to not having entered into a compatible relationship than anything else. I've been in a situationship where effectively if my state still had common law marriage, we'd be married, but there's no cheating in the relationship because frankly we're on the same page that these labels are a form of control to begin with. One can only get blackmailed by something one is embarrassed about. I don't believe in vice as a concept that anything but artificially created low-hanging fruit by authorities to create leverage out of normal human activities, so feel free to blackmail me on who I sleep with or not sleep with, I... don't care. Once the statute of limitation passes, same goes for drug use or other victimless crimes that are "against society". The state created the situation that opens one up to blackmail for no reason besides the enforcement of one particular set of perceived norms. As an individual, I call bullshit on the coercion. If societal pressure is all that is responsible to create the rationale and reason for deception, how can it not be fundamentally a crock of shit. There's no indication that there's nonconsent involved, nor any actual espionage. this is a way to impress upon someone a set of moral code that is arbitrary and capricious with extreme social coercion. To judge by that standard is pretty close to the anti-gay hysteria of the McCarthyist era. Enough is enough. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No little kid whose dad cheated on their mom thinks "vice" is an artificial construct designed to control people. And it's not like "McCarthyists" invented the concept of adultery being bad. Almost every major culture developed the concept independently. The Abrahamic religions, Chinese confucianism, Buddhism, and Hinduism had little contact with each other 2,000 years ago, but all developed the notion of adultery as a major moral transgression. | |
| ▲ | ndriscoll 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well he wrote that he was deeply sorry to his family, so presumably his relationship is not as libertine as yours. |
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