| ▲ | frays a day ago |
| The issue isn't the exploration itself, it's the opportunity cost. When a figure of Yann LeCun's influence pushes a specific direction, it pulls key talent and resources away from mainstream LLM work. That kind of organizational distraction has a massive cost, and would've stopped Meta from delivering a polished product like Muse sooner. |
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| ▲ | thatsabadlook a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| The mainstream is wrong and in a lot of ways hazardous. He had every right to say he wasn't willing to sign is name on the wrong technology when he new better. When you hire smart people you listen to them. Elsewise you get what you deserve. |
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| ▲ | frozenseven a day ago | parent [-] | | >when he new better He was against LLMs, reinforcement learning, etc. Claiming that those are a dead-end. He was wrong. His own "JEPA" ideas have basically gone nowhere. Meta was right in moving on without him. | | |
| ▲ | ForHackernews a day ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure he was wrong. No one has solved the fundamental problem with LLMs, which is that they cannot be trusted. | | |
| ▲ | jack_pp a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Most humans can not be trusted either, that's why you have processes in place to test and review work | | |
| ▲ | johnnyanmac a day ago | parent [-] | | Sure. And we made efforts over millenia to ensure that. Let me know when LLM's get those. Otherwise I trust it as much as a human under anarchic rule. Probably less because I know exactly who controls it. |
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| ▲ | frozenseven a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok, so we're talking about applying connectionist systems/models to the messiness of the real world. And "trust" isn't an on-off switch. The goal is to build systems that are smarter and more general. It's a process. I don't think even Yann LeCun has made any strong claims beyond that. He just thinks that his way of doing deep learning is better. |
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| ▲ | esseph a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not a distraction if the research pans out and then they become the market leader for the next several years or more. |
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| ▲ | siva7 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The job of the CEO is to assess the research risk correctly. Zuck made the right bet here to replace him. | | |
| ▲ | hvb2 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The guy that named his company after his own diversion? It's his call for sure, but rather funny as an argument. | | | |
| ▲ | esseph 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh yeah? How's the metaverse doing? |
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| ▲ | shadowpho a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ok yeah but it’s not a certain bet. Resources are limited and you gotta allocate them efficiently. 10% chance to be market leader doesn’t sound as good as 60% second place to them for example | | |
| ▲ | esseph a day ago | parent [-] | | This is a prime example of why large companies have a problem innovating. Once you get close to the top, the risks don't look worth it. |
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| ▲ | geertj a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's not a distraction if the research pans out It is because even if it would pan out, it would mean temporarily losing AI leadership, reducing stock price, losing the ability to hire talent, and by virtue of that losing the opportunity permanently. | |
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| ▲ | gamblor956 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| LeCun wasn't wrong. He simply had higher standards for results and accountability that LLMs are, by design, incapable of reaching. Zuckerberg wanted to placate his shareholders with a shiny new thing now. would've stopped Meta from delivering a polished product like Muse sooner. Muse is not polished, unless usability and programming standards have fallen so far in the LLM vibe coding era that a pre-alpha state is now considered polished. |
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| ▲ | teruakohatu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | You will find brilliant scientists in every discipline who are not the least bit interested in a particular branch of research because they/their lab didn’t invent it. That’s fine for public research but not helpful private research. | |
| ▲ | solyin a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Compared to the user buying a Mac mini and following a tutorial off Twitter to install some random shit they found online? Muse is imperfect, as is all software, but calling it pre-alpha is a bit much. | |
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