Isn't that true for anything? Some people will sell 5yo hw in almost mint condition, whole others treat their hw like ass and it's garbage after two years already.

The problem with used Macs is that they're still really expensive, and if you want to only run them with Apple software, the support duration is limited (especially true for phones, even more for Android ones). You can pick up used Thinkpads or Dells in great condition for very cheap after a few years.

I bought an M1 Ultra 64G off eBay in March with some 30 battery cycles, it looks new. This thing is a beast compared to most consumer hardware even today with its 800GB/s memory, runs small models well. When I get better HW for LLMs it's going to be a great Linux machine for a decade, well past the point Apple stops supporting M1 entirely.

Huh? Apple has many problems. but one of them isn’t the resale value of their hardware. Or maybe I should say, if you buy Mac hardware, you don’t have a problem selling it on, not like a used PC the only thing worth selling on in a PC is the graphics card (Nvidia) and the memory.

> Judging by what I found when looking for second hand laptops, macbooks don't age well

Are you dumpster diving for your MacBooks, perchance? I buy all of mine second hand, they are all still mint by the 5 year mark, and I have several at the 10 year mark that all I've had to replace is the battery.

On abstract utilitarian grounds you might have a point, but you won't find much sympathy in the real world. People like macs, simple as, and find value in running Linux on them regardless. To an extent that is part of what it means to be a hacker.

You're also not looking at the whole picture, at the time of Asahis creation it was both the Linux on Mac project but ALSO one of the most mature Linux on arm projects; surely you wouldn't say that is daft too?

I used to run Linux on an x86 MBP. It was great, because the hardware quality was excellent and I could pair it with a desktop environment that I actually liked.

I want to do the same with Asahi on Apple silicon. I don't understand why this would be "daft".

I don't think you understand how Linux works overall. It's only relatively recently that manufacturers have catered to the Linux ecosystem and started to treat it as a first class build target. In the early days of Linux every piece of hardware had to be provided for and it sucked but people did it anyway because they wanted to run their own software free as in beer and have full control of it. Now they wanna do the same thing with Apple hardware. There is nothing inherently retarded about it but I do think you're kind of an idiot for writing these comments.

> I wouldn't be surprised if Apple voided the hardware warranty, claiming it overheated or something and Linux was to blame.

Well, you made it half way through the comment before running out of real points and deciding to make up imaginary ones to support your point. That's not nothing!

Crikey lol. I haven't seen a single laptop that reaches Apple's HW quality. Besides, why are you assuming that we're buying new laptops?? Also, just generally, don't be such a dick.

I used MacOS back in the Panther and Tiger days (10.4), then switched away, and started using Macs at work starting with maybe Monterey.

I was very surprised that almost nothing had changed in that long time! They got virtual desktops (finally), and widgets changed from an expose-like effect to only becoming visible at the right side of the screen, and tbh that's about it. All other "features" seem to be changes to Apple's built-in apps.

I think the OS still sucks about as much as in 2004, it's very much a matter of taste.

> By continuing to reward Apple

Strange argument. Their hardware is without competition, that's the reason I use it and also warrants rewarding them with my money. Why should I reward Linux for (mostly) only working on hardware that sucks in comparison?