They dont brick themselves, they stop.

Fair enough, the models don't brick them Selves either, but neither do they stop.

Bandsaws don't cut crooked lines, or change the speed, they stop.

Yes there’s a whole regulatory capture movement plus a bunch of the usual useful idiots pushing for some kind of mechanism to be included in power saws.

It’s not too different from all the nanny state stuff people push for in cars. In Europe already cars beep at you if they think you’re going over the speed limit, and also suck at detecting the correct speed limit.

Or like the Zune that was designed for copyright holders instead of users. It’s all the same, the problem is stuff that’s not made for users and made for someone else’s agenda. They don’t do well in a free market (like the Zune) which is why we always see accompanying regulatory capture efforts.

Every tool is /inherently/ moralistic. Full stop. The idea that a tool could not have an embedded morality in it is a fiction.

When does a tool become "not just a tool"? Is there a complexity limit to what it can do before it becomes "more than a tool"?

If you had a tool that ONLY moralized on decisions, would that still be just a tool? Is the issue that it both does something else AND moralizes that is the issue?

I don't necessarily disagree that I personally don't want my tools to moralize, I don't know if that makes them categorically different or just a tool I don't want.

Yep, thinking LLMs are just a tool just isn't a good mental model of what's occurring.

Of course HN has a pretty large number of people that say things like "But I want the nuclear weapon building machine to do whatever I want without asking questions, and there are no possible wide scale ramifications that will happen because of this".

These AI models are something new and different and we need to change our expectations of them over conventional software.

I thought that was only a table saw thing.

Do some band saws also have that now?

Kind of, does python block you from using it to script a cyber attack?

No, but you cannot silently underperform. You have to explicitly tell me that it’s a sensitive area and you won’t do it.

It would be good if it refused only live meat.

And those band saws actually do technically brick themselves too lol

GP's first example is spot-on, the second is actually somewhat weak as almost anyone actually would prefer a bandsaw to brick itself rather than permanently maiming them.

Typically saw safety features are mandated by a government. E.g. when I lived in the EU 30 years ago table saws had to have regen brakes so they stopped within a fraction of a second when turned off. Came to the US: no such thing exists. I'm not sure if that feature even exists on US sold saws today.