Interestingly some saws do exactly that, and I'd say it's actually desired. But yes, this is for different reasons, and using that safety mechanism is a decision of the operator.

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lelanthran 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They dont brick themselves, they stop.

Fair enough, the models don't brick them Selves either, but neither do they stop.

Bandsaws don't cut crooked lines, or change the speed, they stop.

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sm-silversight an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No those saws don't just stop, they absolutely destroy at least the blade you're using and potentially damage the engine mechanism.

But I agree LLMs shouldn't have such an anti-feature.

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kenjackson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you're splitting hairs here.

Most things don't have the ability to moralize, but if they did, probably more would. There are restrictions on watching adult content in some jurisdictions. I've heard that copy machines will do watermarks (or something like that) if you copy currency. Some cars will brake automatically if they determine you're likely to hit something if you continue (maybe I'm trying to drive through the front of a bank!). Some cars are configured with breathalyzers that need to be passed to start. Etc...

	▲	paimapi 25 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I wish there was more actual research on those 'moralisms' many of which boil down to public health safety features that have led to dramatic reductions in mortality rates. On the one hand, I definitely don't agree with the logic of 'don't guardrail me if I don't want it.' I think back on that one video from the late 80s of people talking about how seatbelt mandates were horrible violations of their freedoms (and not like like one second of work and no real discomfort). On the other, I'd love it if these companies actually produced real research about modern AI-assisted attacks in terms of damage and quantity, and whether or not guardrails even matter when tech like abliteration is in general use.

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QuadmasterXLII an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They do brick themselves- sawstop has to be replaced after saving a finger because the stop is quite violent.

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felixgallo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

actually SawStop does brick itself, destroying the brake cartridge and blade to save your hand.

	▲	eightysixfour 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think "brick" here means different things to different people. Like I said elsewhere, it is more like an airbag going off. Yeah, you have to replace some "consumables" to go back to work, but the car isn't totaled (just because the airbag went off, the collision that caused it on the other hand). If it truly bricked itself, I think it would be more like a crumple zone completely buckling, which isn't an automatic total (people will rebuild anything...) but is pretty close.

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andy99 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes there’s a whole regulatory capture movement plus a bunch of the usual useful idiots pushing for some kind of mechanism to be included in power saws.

It’s not too different from all the nanny state stuff people push for in cars. In Europe already cars beep at you if they think you’re going over the speed limit, and also suck at detecting the correct speed limit.

Or like the Zune that was designed for copyright holders instead of users. It’s all the same, the problem is stuff that’s not made for users and made for someone else’s agenda. They don’t do well in a free market (like the Zune) which is why we always see accompanying regulatory capture efforts.

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eightysixfour 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Using the StopSaw as an example here isn’t doing you many favors, even though I agree with the underlying premise. The StopSaw is closer to seat belts and airbags than beeping for going over the speed limit.

	▲	andy99 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No it’s some nanny state nonsense pushed by people who have never done construction work and are grifting to try and get money for their product. The upstream post picked it as an example of something absurd, seemingly unaware it existed. It is absurd but apparently some cohort of people is either stupid or controlling enough to actually support the company behind it in their scam.