This is copium that is gone with the wind when the models perform up to the level of standard that the user requires. I'll give the author 6 months before they feel like its okay to just send it.

Karpathy had the same trajectory. Primeagean had the same trajectory. I think in the end everyone except for Jonathan Blow will have the same trajectory

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knlb an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Writing is hard, but what I was trying to say is that it's okay to just send it as long as you're doing it consciously and intentionally (and I do that frequently enough); but if it's not an explicit choice that can be problematic.

	▲	augment_me 33 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I see, that makes sense, I think that applies to most things from eating food to watching media, etc. However it takes more mental energy and people don't like that

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willtemperley 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you don't understand the code, how can you know if it's good enough?

I guess you could ask the model. "Yes well done, you're a visionary software engineer".

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augment_me an hour ago | parent [-]

Who cares if it's good enough? Send the product, if people use it, it's good enough. If not, let users debut it and give "feedback", problem solved. You then advocate to these users, make them feel important, make them your cash cows, rinse and repeat.

Every team I have been on have been more successful when they gave up on the product ideals and just ensured that the customers were hooked and satisfied.

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bigstrat2003 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Who cares if it's good enough? Send the product, if people use it, it's good enough. If not, let users debut it and give "feedback", problem solved.

I care, because doing a sloppy job and seeing if people will tolerate it is not acceptable engineering practice. It's not engineering at all. More pragmatically, if you do the thing you are suggesting, you won't have users for much longer. They will abandon you and go to someone who actually makes good products.

	▲	augment_me 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I don't believe this in practice. I am at a FAANG-like firm, and we are just maxxing the engagement and people use the product more and more the more we serve stuff to keep them hooked using their data and behaviour. The quality of what we provide seems to matter 0, we are up about 40% issues in prod year-to-year but the users and their engagement is also growing. I think there is a small subset of technical nerd/idealists who think that quality is all that matters but they are in their own little sandbox while 97% of users are in another one.

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intended 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would Prime be in that list. He had an entire arc where he tried to make it work and then went back to the drawing board.

I am not saying he writes all code by hand, of course. Just that he is furthest in figuring out some sort of mid point between full comprehension and cognitive surrender.

I have missed the more recent content, so perhaps I have missed something, but this was my read last I watched.

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EA-3167 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In the narrow case of your profession perhaps. Beyond the slipshod world of most software is a universe of standards, licenses and liability.

The lawyers and judges who trusted an ML system to be up to snuff are currently pounding sand.

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augment_me an hour ago | parent [-]

I worked for one of the largest device manufacturers for a certain kind of sensor.

The requirements/standards for this sensor was made by this company 20 years ago. All the tests and requirements were made by this same company in a way that would minimize the costs for us to keep making new revision we could sell, and make it the hardest for any competitor to enter the market. Another competitor started with a better product abroad, so we copied it, but it didn't pass the tests, so then they installed an owner of the certification house that was a cousin of one of the VPs. No problems passing tests after that.

You think this is all controlled and nice and standardized but it's all just a market from software to hardware.

	▲	intended 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		While quite believable, there is a diversity of industries and standard adherence / enforcement no? Markets also range from under regulated to over regulated, and are usually in a transition from one end to another (while contending with other forces).