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▲ Fnoord 4 hours ago

My biggest WTF on this (as a foreigner) was the late Lindsey Graham. I always knew Lindsey/Lindsay as a female name.

Either way, peeking through the list, seems to me names which end with a vowel are usually feminine. However, there's a caveat: names end up shortened, and over time even those get shortened.

'Brit', 'Britney' for 'Brittany'.

'Gerry' or 'Geri' or 'Ger' for 'Gareth' (Dutch variant: 'Gerrit'),

'Pat', 'Patty' for 'Patrick', 'Patricia'.

'Pen', 'Penny' for 'Penelope'

'Ash' for 'Ashley'.

'Tash' or 'Tasha' for 'Natasha', 'Nata(s)cha' (a variant of Nathan/Nathaniel?)

'Toni', 'Tony', or 'Ton' for 'Antonia', 'Anton', or 'Antonius'.

Skimming through the quick examples I came up with, one thing stands out: if it ends with an 'a', feminine. I believe this stems from Latin? It also appears Brittany is a very British example, whereas say 'Tony' stems from a Catholic background. People with that background get very traditional names, but they're always practically shortened. Annoyingly, you'd have to mention your complete name on say a form, but otherwise you get a wider choice since you have like three names, and they're relatively long so more variety to pick from.

▲FranchuFranchu an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, it stems from Latin. See Latin's case declension tables [0]

In Spanish and Portugese, -a is a feminine suffix and -o is masculine; that's where we get Patricio vs Patricia.

There are very few female names that end with -o and very few male names that end with -a in Spanish.

Another example is -ine in Joseph/Josephine. -ine/-ino/-in is a feminizing suffix in German and a diminutive in Spanish and French, that's why it's a femenine suffix in names. In English we have hero vs heroine.

[0]: https://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/case-endings-five-de...

▲SamBam 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There are a few common Italian male names end in -a, though.

Andrea, Luca, Nicola are the most common.

▲colechristensen 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Aren't most of these cases of dropping the final s and maybe a vowel from a latin names instead of adding a diminutive a?

Andreas Lucas Nicolas, etc. (perhaps with different spelling in Latin)

▲epolanski 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All masculine names in Italian that end with -a come from Jews, old testament, with the exceptions of Enea and Nicola.

▲weinzierl 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲embedding-shape 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

He's talking about Spanish, not Italian, a different language?

Lots of nicknames in Spanish end with an A though, Juanma and Joserra, basically putting together Juan Manuel and Jose Ramon.

▲bsimpson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There was a boy in high school named Ash (he was probably class of 2002). He tried hard to not let anyone know it was short for Ashley.

▲kleiba2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I met this Australian actor in person once: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Zukerman

▲dotancohen 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ash is a robot.

▲literallyanythi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ash is a pokemon trainer. (I watched Alien and still had to search up your comment)

▲bee_rider an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IDK about the politician, but I bet 80% of the Lindsey’s out there are named after the Fleetwood Mac guitarist, so obviously that name transcend any petty gender limitations.

▲Groxx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ends in 'a' = female: a relatively safe assumption, as far as an assumption here can be safe, with no other context. A strong majority in many places will match that. Many of the exceptions will be obviously foreign names with traditional spelling, which can go either way (may follow that culture's patterns, may not, highly varied).

Ends in vowel (sound) = female: probably mostly true, in that I strongly suspect it's >50%, but it's unreliable enough that I'd avoid trying to base any assumptions off it.

Names really follow no rules at all here. For both good and bad. E.g. most recently I ran across a "La-sia" pronounced "ladashsia". If it's spelled vat-ik'Nff and pronounced "King George" and they're female, then that's what's correct.

▲gus_massa 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I mostly agree, but for example Andrea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea is a masculine name in Italian and a feminine name in Spanish. Here in Argentina it's mostly masculine, but if someone has many Italian ancestors, it may be masculine.

> It is part of the Italian male names ending in a, some others being Elia (Elias), Enea (Aeneas), Luca (Lucas), Mattia (Matthias), Nicola (Nicholas), Tobia (Tobias).

▲vconnor an hour ago | parent [-]

The masculine/feminine question of the name Andrea is made weirder by the fact it literally derives from the Greek word for ‘adult male’ (andros)

▲phillc73 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ends in 'a' = female: a relatively safe assumption, as far as an assumption here can be safe, with no other context. A strong majority in many places will match that.

Which places? I guess I ask because your next sentence:

> Many of the exceptions will be obviously foreign names with traditional spelling

Which makes me wonder if you meant "US places", because I can think of a few male names, which maybe categorised as "foreign" if you're in the US, that end in "a".

e.g. Csaba (pronounced "Chubba") is a reasonably common Hungarian name.

And some not so "foreign" ones, albeit mostly with Biblical roots, like Joshua and Ezra.

▲cenamus an hour ago | parent [-]

Indo european languages mostly, probably

▲tancop 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Many of the exceptions will be obviously foreign names with traditional spelling, which can go either way

Or the names of biblical prophets like Ezra or Elisha. Not very popular today but you can find a lot of them in 19th century records.

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▲motionlessveloc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See https://www.reddit.com r/tragedies for all sorts of, uhh, inventive spellings and names.

▲stasomatic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The one that always trips me up is when a man is a Stacey.

▲ssl-3 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

When I was younger, there was a couple of somewhat-distant relation who would show up occasionally to family events.

Their names were Kim, and Pinky. Kim was the wife and Pinky was the husband.

▲bityard 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Growing up in the rural midwest, I had no idea Tracy could be a dude's name until I worked with one. (Great guy, btw.)

▲awesome_dude 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For me - men named Tracey

▲busymom0 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I had to call a customer once whose name was Courtney and it tripped me up when it turned out to be a male..

▲pugworthy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ambiguous couple names are always a challenge. I indirectly know of a Tony and Dawn. Or is it Toni and Don? I can never remember which is which.

▲triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lindsey (as well as Ashley, Tracy, Kelly, among others) are all, I believe, last names that became given names. They skewed female over time because they end with a vowel.

Ashley Williams is the name of two American actresses as well as two male soccer players (Welsh and Liberian) and a male boxer (also Welsh).

▲bigstrat2003 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I was a kid, I was very confused by the names of Fleetwood Mac band members. It really threw me for a loop that they had a Lindsay who is a dude, and a Stevie who is a girl, both counter to my intuition about names.

▲graemep 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Stevie is Stephanie which has always been very much a girl's name. Abbreviations have a tendency to collide.

▲thaumasiotes 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Stevie is Stephanie which has always been very much a girl's name. Abbreviations have a tendency to collide.

Maybe, I guess. That would be one of those "abbreviations" like "Peggy" ("abbreviating" Margaret) that doesn't actually abbreviate the name, and you just have to know that someone out there thinks it's related.

"Stevie" for "Steven" follows the ordinary rules of English. For "Stephanie", you'd expect "Steffie".

▲awesome_dude 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In a similar vein, the way women's names get shortened into a plethora of variants never ceases to surprise me

Elizabeth

Eliza, Liz, Liza, Lisa, Beth, Betty

▲IncreasePosts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Andrea, Simone, Nicola, Michele, Daniele in Italian are all male names, but English speakers would probably assume the person is female from the name alone.

▲Fnoord 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

True, good native and traditional cultutal exceptions of a rule of thumb. Speaking for myself (NL) we have a small amount of Italian names and heritage (also due to Catholicism), and say NYC would have much more Italian descendants.

Also, as someone who saw quite some football (non-US version), I ofcourse am familiar with a lot of names. For example, Andrea Pirlo. We also learn some via history at school, since Italy plays a prominent role in Europe's history. Regarding Nicola, people might be familiar with Nikola Tesla (the 'c' in this case, sounds like 'k') and it is just a variant of 'Nico', 'Nicole', 'Nicolas'. Then there's some dude at FIFA, 'Gianni' which is a variant of 'Jean', 'Jan', 'Jeanne', 'Janet', 'Jannie', 'Janine', etc. I could go on about Gianluigi Buffon...

What I just remind myself with regards to Italian is it tends to add a vowel at end of a word or name, but it often doesn't sound same in English or my native tongue (Dutch).

▲pepperoni_pizza 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Around here, all of these would be male with the last vowel removed and female with it.

▲bsimpson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Andrea (on-dre-ah vs and-ree-ah) is a true name collision.

Michele and Daniele look like misspellings of Michelle and Danielle though. I don't know any women named Daniele or men named Danielle.

▲casta 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My name is Daniele (I'm from Italy), and I've been living in NY for a while. My real estate attorney name was Daniele as well (she's a woman,) it was extremely confusing at closing time.

Also, fun fact, I got invited to a ton Women in Tech stuff. I even got recruited to a company that was proud of having > 50% women in their teams. I assume that was because I was working on an OSS project (Chromium) and I had no avatar there.

Also, in the two FAANG companies I worked at I was added to women groups a few times.

▲thaumasiotes 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Andrea (on-dre-ah vs and-ree-ah) is a true name collision.

What do you mean? The Italian male name Andrea and the English female name Andrea aren't unrelated names that happen to be spelled the same way. They are one and the same name, both derived from the Greek word for "man"; the Italian name has managed to remember that it's overtly masculine and the English name has forgotten this.

▲quickthrowman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, I would assume those are feminine names.

The closest English male names to your examples are Andre/Andrew, Simon, Nicholas/Nick, Michael/Mike, Daniel/Dan. Gianni is John, etc

▲srean an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Gotta mention Lindsey Buckingham.

(Way underrated)