| ▲ | umvi a day ago |
| He's fictional though... It's easy to make a fictional ideal leader. How about real life examples? "Dalinar Kholin taught us what good men do with power" vs. "George Washington ..." |
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| ▲ | adrianN a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| An important function of fiction is showing us things to aspire to that are not quite possible in real life. |
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| ▲ | duskwuff a day ago | parent [-] | | And to explore hypotheticals. What would happen / what would it be like / what would have happened, IF ... |
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| ▲ | knorker a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's easy to make a fictional ideal leader. Is it? Another comment in this thread (and I'd agree), it's easier to make a story of relatable bumbleheads. People have a special place for Picard as a leader that they don't have for other people. Picard stands out even over Kirk, Sisko, and Janeway. Or Mal from Firefly, or O'Neill from SG1. If it's "easy", then what other character comes close? Most attempts of fictional ideal leaders are just mary sues, or are never actually tested. And the most common of the latter is that their leadership aspect is simply one dimensional. I'm not saying the other leaders are bad characters or bad leaders. But I could definitely see all the other characters would have a voice in their head saying "what would Picard do". Well… and then reject it, especially Mal. |
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| ▲ | shimman a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| George Washington routinely abused the office of the presidency and ignored provisions of the fugitive slave act where he compelled members of the Treasury Department to kidnap a free African woman, Ona Judge, in New Hampshire multiple times (failing each time). I don't think hero worship is acceptable in any form. We shouldn't be elevating individuals above us but championing how capable any of us could be if the time comes. |
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| ▲ | WalterBright a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The US military does extensive leadership training for officers. It is based on a thousand years of experience. None of their training materials consist of Star Trek fictional scenarios. |
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| ▲ | 12_throw_away a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > We actually studied leadership via Star Trek at the Air Force Academy. There were a lot of practical lessons to learn about decisiveness versus being too rash, or performing your specific role well to help the team. It was an interesting study in real-world leadership through this fictional show. - Col. Terry Virts, USAF https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/star-trek-... | | |
| ▲ | umvi 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, and when I was in ROTC we "learned lessons" from Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan as well ("leaders complain up", etc). I still don't take much stock in fictional leadership. I'd much rather do case studies of real life leaders who were great than study fictional leaders. Watching Band of Brothers would have been better IMO because at least Lt. Winters was a real person (even if Damian Lewis didn't portray him with perfect accuracy) | |
| ▲ | WalterBright a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would be fair to pick out a situation and resolution in ST that did coincide with military doctrine. In particular, I think (I don't know for a fact) that the military emphasizes that the commander not be best buddies with those under his command. | |
| ▲ | jacquesm a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Makes you wonder how he feels about Hegseth. | | |
| ▲ | Jtsummers a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure many active duty people like Hegseth, I haven't met any yet at least and I am around military folks quite a bit in my life. They all seem to be riding it out until he's fired, impeached, or replaced with the next presidency. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm a day ago | parent [-] | | In the meantime: they could well end up being the ones in trouble while Hegseth will be pardoned. | | |
| ▲ | Jtsummers 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Late response, but yes. There could (I won't go so far as to say will) be blowback against people who followed his orders if they're later deemed unlawful, and unless Trump really wants a scapegoat, Hegseth will be just fine, even if out of a job. |
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| ▲ | a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | rhaynes a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perhaps they should include a chapter on the Prime Directive. Or at least remind congress of George Washington's recommendation in his farewell address. | | |
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