| ▲ | conartist6 3 hours ago |
| "The shift in politics is even starker. In the 2010s and early 2020s, big tech was well-liked by most people. But AI is absolutely loathed by the public. These companies have never faced real public dissatisfaction, they all imagine themselves to be the good guys, with the credibility of having created magical search engines and smartphones. But that era is gone. They are now akin to the bankers on Wall Street in 2008, and politicians are winning elections by saying they hate AI as much as the voters do." Yeah I see this too. That we're not innovating any more also doesn't help make our industry look good |
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| ▲ | nixpulvis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You can't claim that the tech industry isn't innovating. You can say that innovation effort has shifted away from many things that still need it. The issue I have is that the companies and products are so large and complex that they are extremely difficult to compete with. |
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| ▲ | fwip 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not just that we're not innovating on good new products. We're innovating new ways to break the law and exploit human psychology. Blockchain/NFT hype did a ton of damage to tech's credibility, as well as Uber before it (along with the many Uber for X apps). |
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| ▲ | riffraff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm in agreement with the general point but was big tech well liked in the early 2020s? Facebook scandals had exploded already, Google had already long abandoned "don't be evil", nobody ever liked Microsoft, and I think sentiment towards Apple is somewhat unchanged. |
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| ▲ | gessha 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tech at least in my eyes peaked around 2018-19. That also coincided with the first more mainstream public-aware introduction of vision and NLP systems into tech products. A few years later it all went downhill for the tech companies. | | |
| ▲ | pigpop an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do you not remember when they were dragged in 2015-2016? or 4 years before that when they were heroes instead? |
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| ▲ | EdiX 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You got a few things wrong: First, ChatGPT has been the most downloaded app for two years straight, the idea that AI is loathed by the general public is pure delusion, propped up by manipulated surveys and people living in a bluesky bubble. Second, Big tech wasn't well liked by the early 2020s, that ended in the early 2010s when the NYT editorial board took a top down decision to cover big tech negatively. Third, the idea that they were innovating before but aren't now is insane. AI is the biggest innovation in tech since the transistor and possibly the only true innovation since the GUI. |
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| ▲ | tescreal 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Respectfully, download numbers are not an adequate proxy for opinion. The number of companies mandating AI use plays in significantly. There are highly ploarized bubbles of opinion fwiw. In the end, it requires actual controlled polling of opinion to have a satisfactory understanding. Additionally, I'm not sure how you square NYT coverage being more critical of generally worse behavior as "top down" without a citation, care to point at anything to substantiate that statement? Innovative, in some part sure. But lately the running jokes have become "Uber, but for $X", which hints at imaginative stagnation. AI has been the largest shake up in a decade (or more), but it is hard for Average Joe to grasp what is changing. |
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| ▲ | cjbgkagh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In 2014 I moved from London to SF to start a big tech job. In my first day there I accidentally wondered into a massive rally, I asked one of the participants what it was about and they said they were protesting all these foreign tech workers coming to SF. It felt a bit weird to end up in the middle of an ‘anti-me’ rally - especially one so passionate and energetic. A few protesters pressed me on where I was from and what I do, I lied and told them I was an investment banker. They told me that they suppose that was ok. I specifically told them that because not long ago it was finance being the target of protests and I curious to see if they had somehow moved on - if this was a principled stance or if it was being astroturfed. These protests ended up getting pretty violent, people were throwing rocks through bus windows, throwing up on cars. |
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| ▲ | cagenut an hour ago | parent [-] | | hey little tip while you assimilate and learn the language - property damage is not violence | | |
| ▲ | cjbgkagh an hour ago | parent [-] | | Don’t worry I didn’t stay long. I loved the Bay Area but did not like SF all that much. I believe some of the busses were occupied when they were attacked and the lack of injuries was largely due to good fortune. I could believe a claim that this was done by false flag agitators intent on undermining the protests. |
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| ▲ | cpburns2009 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People began disliking big tech well before this latest bout of AI. |
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| ▲ | lithocarpus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is true but the last few years have seen this dislike grow and spread a lot more than it was before - in my personal experience. |
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| ▲ | vlyan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >But AI is absolutely loathed by the public. by the public populating the echo chambers on reddit and bluesky, perhaps. 9.5 out of 10 normies use it daily now and have no negative opinions about it. the wholesome folx use it too, despite their incessant kvetching. |
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| ▲ | lithocarpus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most people I talk to use it because it's useful, but also hate what it means and what it is doing to the world. There definitely has been a broad change in public perception of big tech and the future that it is taking us toward. | | |
| ▲ | vlyan 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | was that change organic, though? every single shitrag went berserk about AI once the so-called journalists had realized they were about to lose their jobs to it. |
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| ▲ | cjbgkagh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think there is a massive selection criteria bias, AI has been a batshit insane productivity boost for me but I’ve been so busy with it that I’ve generally stopped posting online - I only do so now because I’m out of quota. I no longer see any point in arguing with people - I’ve got better things to do, like argue with AI. I used to scour the Earth looking for smart people to talk to and now I don’t even have to leave my apartment. | | | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I use all sorts of things I hate all the time. This is not the gotcha you think it is. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This feeling made me leave the tech industry. It felt like I was helping the bad guys, and my conscience couldn't deal with that. |
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| ▲ | lotsofpulp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Considering the search engine company is selling a very popular self driving taxi service, they seem to be quite credible and innovative. |
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| ▲ | READ_A_BOOK 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | pigpop an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People are being led around by the nose. Cui bono? 2000 years and most people still can't manage to ask that question reflexively. AI hate is a parochial narrative being pushed by people who stand to lose influence. Examined objectively, there are reasons to be cautious when adopting AI tools but a knee-jerk rejection of everything AI is a purely irrational response that has been drilled into people through repetition, conformity and media influence. Tech companies were never the "good guys" any more than they are the "bad guys" now. Those are just colored filters thrown in front of the lime light to shift your perception. As soon as tech or AI works to their benefit then suddenly they'll be the good guys again and no one will care they were the bad guys before. People just go where the algo leads them, believe what their influencers believe, think what their peers think. |
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| ▲ | 20k an hour ago | parent [-] | | People hate AI because culture is being turned into slop in front of our very eyes. There's clear evidence that people collectively reject: 1. AI games 2. AI Art 3. AI Music 4. AI literature in most forms, except for factual text like search Or at least, they won't pay money for it AI hatred isn't being pushed by people with a narrative. I can't use AI for my game, because it'll sell £0 if I do. That's the net result of millions of other people telling me that they despise AI and won't purchase my product if it contains any AI, and I'm just making a business decision Also google and some other big tech companies were widely loved for a while. Microsoft/gates managed to entirely rehabilitate their image at one point, and google was seen as one of the good guys. Those days died with the cambridge analytica scandal, and there's no evidence its coming back | | |
| ▲ | tescreal a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | People hate these outputs, as well as the wholesale enclosure of their commons (training on public data ignoring their copyrights and the social contracts that enabled them). Additionally, despite how it might appeal to a subset of humanity, "we're going to take all of the jobs" is not a fantastic sales pitch. | |
| ▲ | pigpop 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | And why do those millions of other people have that opinion? Have they arrived at it of their own accord? Yes, you can create garbage with AI tools. You can create garbage using Blender, Unreal Engine, Unity, GIMP, Ableton, iMovie and Word as well and there are mountains of garbage created with those tools that nobody pays for or likes. If you have some talent and put the same effort into creating art with AI that you do with a digital paint program then it won't be garbage. AI isn't a magic wand that you can wave around and get perfect results, it can save you time just like using an image editor saves you a lot of time compared to drawing and painting by hand but it won't do all of the work for you. It's a tool and a poor craftsman that blames his tools for his failure. My point exactly that big tech was loved for a while and then hated and then loved again and hated again. Have they truly changed that much that often or is it your perception that has changed? |
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