| ▲ | jaxtracks 6 days ago |
| A lot of these takes saying we're doomed to a Wall-E future seriously underestimate the human spirit I think. The tykes I volunteer teaching code to still want to write the challenging parts themselves, because they like doing hard things and expressing themselves. It doesn't matter that the robots have supposedly taken over that job. Same as how the tykes I coach wrestling for do it because it's hard and it gives them a way to grow and express themselves. They know they're never going to see a cent from that pursuit. If an AI singularity starts trying to feed our kids digital heroin I like to think the majority of us will be more inspired than to tell them to quit trying, tie off, and let humanity go gentle into that good night. |
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| ▲ | strken 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think we're going to have a much weirder and more conflicted future than people realise, given that at some point all the world's democracies are going to be populated mostly by the descendants of groups which have a lot of kids. Yeah, sure, maybe some of us will Wall-E into oblivion. People already do that with opiates and video games and it's reasonable to expect more might do the same. Do we really think the Amish are going to do that, though? They might even ban AI from providing goods and services to them. And then consider the kids of the Amish, who are not all going to be Amish but who might learn a thing or two and pass it along to mainstream culture. Then do that for every group that's still reproducing. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It'll take several generations for this sort of effect to happen. Say 100 years. I wish we also had 100 years to adjust to AI and autonomous robots. | | |
| ▲ | airstrike 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | We likely have more than 100 years to adjust. | |
| ▲ | lazide 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s literally happening right now. | | |
| ▲ | bryanlarsen 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The Amish are overrunning America right now? Because it can't be Africans or Muslims, America is still 73% white. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | People who have kids are replacing/outnumbering those who don’t. | | |
| ▲ | bryanlarsen 5 days ago | parent [-] | | In a process that takes multiple decades. Not particularly relevant in a conversation about AI. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 4 days ago | parent [-] | | In this thread, where someone was claiming that the fast breeding religious/ethnic folks were replacing everyone or something, it’s extremely relevant. Nothing is new here. | | |
| ▲ | strken 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I was saying that any group which has a lot of kids is going to have a disproportionate impact on the future. I very carefully did not say "ethnic" or "replace" because that's just the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is mostly wrong and not useful or interesting. One group that's still having a lot of kids is the rich: Elon Musk has 14 children. Another is sperm donors. Instead of replacement, what's going to happen is that the political movements of the future are going to be increasingly framed around these groups. This includes opposition to them as well as support. I said this in reply to a comment about how humanity would rally together and resist a Wall-E future where we do nothing except consume. My point was that there are already people out there who are resisting a Wall-E present day, and if mindless consumption becomes even more tempting then they're going to inherit the earth. |
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| ▲ | archimedes237 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Only if you include old people. | |
| ▲ | tazjin 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Muslim is not an ethnicity. |
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| ▲ | Der_Einzige 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | High birthrates from backwater groups are canceled out by high technologically embracing groups having increasingly long lifespans. The singularity happening should imply significantly longer human lives. Some might argue that the first “immortals” are already born. |
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| ▲ | hn_acc1 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My children were always "anything but STEAM" - we don't want to be nerds / code geeks.. Sure, they did some basic "coding for girls" and such as kids, but it never stuck. Now, the oldest is realizing that tech skills are incredibly useful in every undergrad degree and taking SQL, Python, etc, and the youngest is studying CS and just told me the other day: "I had trouble following the lecture in physics because I kept thinking about what my prof said, that there was a way to do this O(log N), and I was constantly trying to figure out how". Wow, was that a cool moment as a geek dad who started with BASIC in the 80s.. |
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| ▲ | thoughtpeddler 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amazon did not kill Barnes and Noble. For a moment, it looked like it did. But B&N is experiencing a resurgence the last several years, because humans don't just value getting books delivered the next day through e.g. Prime. They want to read books in a physical space, and will inconvenience themselves for that tactile experience. There is an important lesson in this when thinking about the AI future. |
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| ▲ | barnabee 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Title of the post should be be I Won’t “Just Hang Out”, or maybe We Won’t Just “Hang Out”, but then it’d be a different post. |
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| ▲ | gherkinnn 6 days ago | parent [-] | | "I can't see anything for me in this hypothetical scenario" is fine. Projecting that sentiment on everybody is fallacious. |
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| ▲ | ThrowawayR2 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A depressingly percentage of the population doesn't even want to acquire the basic literacy and arithmetic skills provided by a high school education. Their aspirations means nothing because they don't want to put in the work to build any of the foundation needed to reach for them. |
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| ▲ | scottLobster 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Agree to a point, but I don't think it would be the majority. It would be a minority of people who subscribe to philosophies that provide meaning and motivation to life beyond hedonism and material gain. The rest will be happy, or at least resigned, to vegetate in endless endorphin loops. It's already visible today, with people of all ages spouting all sorts of hedonistic nihilism to justify not making an effort to improve their condition. Some sort of technological singularly would simply be an amplifier of our current dysfunctions. To some extent it would be the apocalypse. The motivated people would band together and live in physically secure communities, while the nihilists form what amount to a vast expanse of homeless encampments and wallow in their addictions, occasionally making poorly coordinated attacks on the gated communities to dry and drag the motivated people down to their level out of spite. Picture drug addicts who win the lottery. It won't be pretty |
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| ▲ | autoexec 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > It would be a minority of people who subscribe to philosophies that provide meaning and motivation to life beyond hedonism and material gain. Hedonism and materialism demand active and social lifestyles. Chasing a different high, the next purchase, the newest model, the next sexual partner, the last in a set, the finest foods, the rarest most limited edition, etc. Part of the fun is showing off, comparing possessions or experiences with others, and learning about what else is still out there. > The rest will be happy, or at least resigned, to vegetate in endless endorphin loops. It's already visible today, with people of all ages spouting all sorts of hedonistic nihilism to justify not making an effort to improve their condition. That's a symptom of hopelessness and despair. In the event of a utopia where all our needs are met and we're all able to pursue our own interests to whatever extent we want people will have hope. Living a carefree life like children protected and spoiled by their parents the world will be full endless possibility with the only remaining constraint being that we have only a single lifetime to enjoy it all. > Picture drug addicts who win the lottery. It won't be pretty People who are drug addicts don't get clean the moment they win money. Money can make drug treatment more pleasant, but the hardest part is overcoming the learned helplessness and committing to get help. I'd guess that the odds a drug addict lottery winner getting clean aren't that much better or worse than the odds of a drug addict who doesn't win the lottery. People who became addicted looking to self-medicate due to mental illness or trauma don't suddenly have those problems cured when you give them money either. Some lottery winners end up going overboard and gaining addictions they didn't start with (although addictive personalities are more likely to gamble in the first place). Thankfully most people who win the lottery still end up happier and better off. The truth is that there's no reason think that AI would bring about any kind of utopia for anybody, but if it happened, people will still love the things they love and want the things they want, and share and grow and experiment. No matter what happens, humans won't stop being humans. | | |
| ▲ | scottLobster 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > No matter what happens, humans won't stop being humans. Yes, and humans evolved in an environment of resource scarcity. Literally every instinct we have, including addiction and every psychological condition we categorize as mental illness, is tuned to that. We are not biologically equipped for a post-scarcity environment, and to thrive in such an environment without destroying it would take a monumental cultural adaptation that not many would be capable of. Children is a bad analogy, because even children have forms of material scarcity guiding them. The reason to grow up at all is to be able to provide for yourself. Everyone is jealous of the "rich kid" in school. Beyond the theory, see the global transition from hunter gatherer to agriculture. It was insanely violent despite the overall growth in material resources and took thousands of years to truly stabilize into what we'd call civilization, and that civilization was plenty violent all on its own. Ironically, if we ever did get a material utopia, part of it would have to be manufactured scarcity just so we don't all go insane. And now imagine what the predators amongst us would do in such an environment, their utopia is destruction of others, and they'd have all the resources they'd need to do it. |
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| ▲ | someothherguyy 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | in a utopian future, addictions like that would be cured and siloed. hopefully, those with motivation to understand the mechanisms of human suffering would be in charge of policy. |
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