I think we're going to have a much weirder and more conflicted future than people realise, given that at some point all the world's democracies are going to be populated mostly by the descendants of groups which have a lot of kids.

Yeah, sure, maybe some of us will Wall-E into oblivion. People already do that with opiates and video games and it's reasonable to expect more might do the same.

Do we really think the Amish are going to do that, though? They might even ban AI from providing goods and services to them. And then consider the kids of the Amish, who are not all going to be Amish but who might learn a thing or two and pass it along to mainstream culture. Then do that for every group that's still reproducing.

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bryanlarsen 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

It'll take several generations for this sort of effect to happen. Say 100 years. I wish we also had 100 years to adjust to AI and autonomous robots.

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airstrike 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

We likely have more than 100 years to adjust.

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lazide 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s literally happening right now.

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bryanlarsen 5 days ago | parent [-]

The Amish are overrunning America right now? Because it can't be Africans or Muslims, America is still 73% white.

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lazide 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

People who have kids are replacing/outnumbering those who don’t.

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bryanlarsen 5 days ago | parent [-]

In a process that takes multiple decades. Not particularly relevant in a conversation about AI.

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lazide 4 days ago | parent [-]

In this thread, where someone was claiming that the fast breeding religious/ethnic folks were replacing everyone or something, it’s extremely relevant.

Nothing is new here.

	▲	strken 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		I was saying that any group which has a lot of kids is going to have a disproportionate impact on the future. I very carefully did not say "ethnic" or "replace" because that's just the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is mostly wrong and not useful or interesting. One group that's still having a lot of kids is the rich: Elon Musk has 14 children. Another is sperm donors. Instead of replacement, what's going to happen is that the political movements of the future are going to be increasingly framed around these groups. This includes opposition to them as well as support. I said this in reply to a comment about how humanity would rally together and resist a Wall-E future where we do nothing except consume. My point was that there are already people out there who are resisting a Wall-E present day, and if mindless consumption becomes even more tempting then they're going to inherit the earth.

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archimedes237 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only if you include old people.

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tazjin 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Muslim is not an ethnicity.

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Der_Einzige 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

High birthrates from backwater groups are canceled out by high technologically embracing groups having increasingly long lifespans.

The singularity happening should imply significantly longer human lives. Some might argue that the first “immortals” are already born.