When AI wipes out programming jobs over the next few years, do you think we will see a revival in the number of young men going into monkhood?

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Oarch 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think robotically driven historic building renovation is one of the safest jobs.

1. Loads of pent up historic demand 2. Work is complex, sensitive and physical. 3. There's more history every day!

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jacquesm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are other options that are - unfortunately - more likely. Historically the clergy was only a small fraction of the total number of excess males removed.

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ramesh31 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>"When AI wipes out programming jobs over the next few years, do you think we will see a revival in the number of young men going into monkhood?"

The church historically absorbed excess males in this way and gave them a dignified purpose in life, it's not a crazy thought at all.

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Maken 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Concretely it absorbed an excess of male heirs so they could live a comfy life and would not try an hostile takeover over their elder brothers' state.

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ramesh31 6 hours ago | parent [-]

>"Concretely it absorbed an excess of male heirs so they could live a comfy life and would not try an hostile takeover over their elder brothers' state."

That was often a consequence, but in general it provided an alternative pathway to male success in life and a means of advancing through a respected status hierarchy that did not depend on the traditional markers. Something sorely lacking today, when even outside the question of inheritance you are faced with the near impossibility of achieving the economically independent and socially valuable life that your grandfather or father had by simply working.

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rerdavies 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I just finished reading a biography of Christopher Marlowe, which I would not otherwise recommend. However, one of the interesting issues it discusses is how English universities in late 16th century provided an illusion of upward mobility for scholarship students, while actually only providing a path to clergy positions in remote parishes that no sensible second son of an aristocrat would find remotely acceptable. Not unlike the "American Dream", in many ways: a false promise held out to keep the masses complacent.

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bluGill 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are plenty of people who do achieve an economically independent and socially valuable life.

Those that don't most often have decided to set an unrealistic definition of economically independent and socially valuable life. Their grandfathers never had it that definition, but they somehow think their grandfathers never struggled and otherwise had it a lot easier than their grandfathers really did.

there is a second group that has decided it is impossible, and thus refuse to try.

Don't get me wrong, bad luck happens to everybody. Most don't get luck so bad they can't recover though. Some get worse luck than others.

In general set reasonable goals and you can achieve them.

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rerdavies 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That is indeed the myth that the 1% would have you believe. It is, however, probably good that you have realized that you must moderate your expectations.

	▲	bluGill 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		1% perhaps - but I've seen it all over in all income levels, and it is still working for those who try.

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ramesh31 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>"Their grandfathers never had it that definition, but they somehow think their grandfathers never struggled and otherwise had it a lot easier than their grandfathers really did."

I don't think it's that they think they never struggled. It's that the struggle resulted in something. Work hard, because it will probably earn you a promotion. Put a little extra on the mortgage every month, because you might be able to pay it off one day. Save a bit for your kids college, because then they'll be able to afford it. All of these things are practically quaint at this point. Some people can pull it off, but it's the exceptional case now, not the median as it once was. Increasingly you need a 90th percentile 21st century income to get a 50th percentile 20th century life.

	▲	bluGill 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There is the second group thinking: it must not be possible so don't try. Meanwhile plenty of people (though a minority) are doing it right now.