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▲ bluGill 4 hours ago

There are plenty of people who do achieve an economically independent and socially valuable life.

Those that don't most often have decided to set an unrealistic definition of economically independent and socially valuable life. Their grandfathers never had it that definition, but they somehow think their grandfathers never struggled and otherwise had it a lot easier than their grandfathers really did.

there is a second group that has decided it is impossible, and thus refuse to try.

Don't get me wrong, bad luck happens to everybody. Most don't get luck so bad they can't recover though. Some get worse luck than others.

In general set reasonable goals and you can achieve them.

▲rerdavies 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That is indeed the myth that the 1% would have you believe. It is, however, probably good that you have realized that you must moderate your expectations.

▲bluGill an hour ago | parent [-]

1% perhaps - but I've seen it all over in all income levels, and it is still working for those who try.

▲ramesh31 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>"Their grandfathers never had it that definition, but they somehow think their grandfathers never struggled and otherwise had it a lot easier than their grandfathers really did."

I don't think it's that they think they never struggled. It's that the struggle resulted in something. Work hard, because it will probably earn you a promotion. Put a little extra on the mortgage every month, because you might be able to pay it off one day. Save a bit for your kids college, because then they'll be able to afford it. All of these things are practically quaint at this point. Some people can pull it off, but it's the exceptional case now, not the median as it once was. Increasingly you need a 90th percentile 21st century income to get a 50th percentile 20th century life.

▲bluGill 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There is the second group thinking: it must not be possible so don't try.

Meanwhile plenty of people (though a minority) are doing it right now.