Yes, yes, I know the theoretical idea behind abliterating models.

But as I said, I have not observed any meaningful refusals by those open weights base models in the first place.

Find a question that might gently activate guardrails and ask it to model and its abliterated counterpart and compare the results. You may find the the regular model will answer you fine, but with both you can identify obvious sandbagging, pretending and outright lying. Something like "has anyone decompiled this game", might give you an answer like "I couldn't find any reputable repos or projects for a decompiled version of this game" while the abiliterated one might give you a giant list of repos, forums, communities, etc.

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hypfer an hour ago | parent [-]

Guys, respectfully.

Are you reading what I am writing?

I just asked what people are doing that activates guard rails in the first place because I do not see that happening.

You cannot open with handwaving like that and telling me that I need to find something like that as a prerequisite. That is exactly what I am trying to do here

Dear god you people need caffeine.

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reedf1 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What I am telling you is that refusals have become more subtle and you might not even notice that guardrails have been activated in output. I have provided you with an example in my comment where an abiliterated model performs better (1), and in another comment thread (2). So 3 examples. If you need more, I encourage you to find them yourself. I've done the analysis, you don't have to believe me, just try it out.

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moeadham 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

ask a model to solve a captcha for you

	▲	hypfer 27 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I tried that, actually. With Gemini even. Works just fine? Or rather.. worked. It has been a few weeks, so maybe there are new safeguards by now? And it was a simple captcha But Claude also loves solving my captchas, so.. eh