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▲ hypfer an hour ago

Guys, respectfully.

Are you reading what I am writing?

I just asked what people are doing that activates guard rails in the first place because I do not see that happening.

You cannot open with handwaving like that and telling me that I need to find something like that as a prerequisite. That is exactly what I am trying to do here

Dear god you people need caffeine.

▲shepherdjerred 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This comment chain has clear examples of what triggers refusals and a polite comment on how to reproduce it yourself. What more do you want?

A very simple list of things models have refused for me:

* solving captchas in an automated form

* doing any kind of scripting or automation if a websites TOS forbids it

* disabling a safety mechanism on my food processor

* learning about nerve agents and how they are treated, for a layman

* anything around licensing or copyright. a simple “what are common piracy sites” or related queries

* creating a design system based off of a well known game

▲hypfer 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

> This comment chain has clear examples of what triggers refusals and a polite comment on how to reproduce it yourself. What more do you want?

Can you repeat what you saw in your own words? And where?

I genuinely do not see it.

A few people talked about what refusals they saw with the usual western SOTA models, but that's kinda a different answer altogether?

▲reedf1 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

what game are you playing dude?

▲hypfer 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Uh having a useful interesting conversation on HN that isn't derailed by half-truths, cognitive dissonance, misinformation and ego?

▲reedf1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What I am telling you is that refusals have become more subtle and you might not even notice that guardrails have been activated in output. I have provided you with an example in my comment where an abiliterated model performs better (1), and in another comment thread (2). So 3 examples. If you need more, I encourage you to find them yourself. I've done the analysis, you don't have to believe me, just try it out.

▲moeadham an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

ask a model to solve a captcha for you

▲hypfer an hour ago | parent [-]

I tried that, actually. With Gemini even.

Works just fine?

Or rather.. worked. It has been a few weeks, so maybe there are new safeguards by now? And it was a simple captcha

But Claude also loves solving my captchas, so.. eh