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▲ IcePenguin 5 hours ago

eMudhra's recent response regarding their Intermediate CA private key compromise, citing social media activity and investor relations as blockers to technical investigation and analysis: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083449#c39

> "There are a lot of questions here. As most of you can imagine, we have been subject to intense social media scrutiny and analysis by investors/customers over the last few days and it has made doing any meaningful analysis of the event pretty much impossible."

Mozilla Root Program's update, stating that eMudhra has not responded to investigatory questions within deadlines (and had provided an extension): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083449#c42

> "The Mozilla Root Program sent the attached questions to eMudhra on the 20th October at 20:31 UTC. eMudhra was asked to provide an initial response within 24 hours. After the deadline passed on October 21st, eMudhra asked for a further 24 hours to respond. As of the time of writing on Friday 23rd, Mozilla has not received a response to these questions."

▲antonvs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it has made doing any meaningful analysis of the event pretty much impossible.

How does that work exactly? Perhaps if they paid attention to their software instead of browsing X, they'd be able to get more done?

Everything this company says is ridiculous.

▲metalliqaz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It means their reputation management efforts are taking priority over their technical work

▲jmspring 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[flagged]

▲paaloeye 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Somewhat liberal use of the verb "may"

▲dsr_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The downvote is for generalizing to a country.

▲15155 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it possible to make a broadly-accurate generalization about work ethic in a given country? (There are no Foxconn-style suicide nets in the United States that I am aware of - so perhaps?)

Do some countries possibly value quality or responsibility as a desirable property more than others at a cultural level? (Is "German Engineering" a real thing?)

Why do 419-style scams seem to emanate from a few specific countries? Why is piracy on the high seas more prevalent in Somalia than the United Kingdom?

▲lukan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Is it possible to make a broadly-accurate generalization about work ethic in a given country? "

It is, but those generalisations are usually debatable and will then lead to nationalistic debates that are allmost always flame war style, with people shouting over each other who is from the worst nation. Which is why many flag anything, that smells like leading towards this.

▲xeonmc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In the case of India specifically I think you'd elicit the complete opposite of nationalistic responses, however.

▲fatty_patty89 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>It is, but those generalisations are usually debatable and will then lead to nationalistic debates that are allmost always flame war style, with people shouting over each other who is from the worst nation. Which is why many flag anything, that smells like leading towards this.

So we should just close our eyes and not say accurate information, got it

▲red-iron-pine 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> (There are no Foxconn-style suicide nets in the United States that I am aware of - so perhaps?)

americans die like men -- by guns

except for the small children, they die like children being slaughtered in a school shooting. price of freedom amiright?

▲15155 an hour ago | parent [-]

Come and take them.

▲VirusNewbie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it work ethic or is it nepotism/corruption?

I mean if I'm going to make really large generalizations about Software Engineering talent by country, Swiss people are the absolute bottom of the barrel maybe followed by the cheap outsourcing countries next, but ymmv.

I'm also sure i've worked with a lot more very good Indian engineers than German engineers here in America, but that might have more to do with who immigrates here.

▲15155 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Swiss people are the absolute bottom of the barrel maybe followed by the cheap outsourcing countries next

Just by fact of population, a generalization may or may not hold more weight. Anecdotes are also tricky to really apply broadly: it's simply impossible for you to have encountered that many Swiss software engineers because few exist... few Swiss people exist. In 2019, there were over 300,000 Indian H-1B petitions to Switzerland's total of 202.

> I'm also sure i've worked with a lot more very good Indian engineers than German engineers here in America, but that might have more to do with who immigrates here.

Relative quality of life in Germany is objectively better in India by pretty much every metric, so there's an automatic/inherent bias - it's probable that more Indians wish to immigrate to the United States. (More than 10% of the Indian population doesn't have access to modern toilet facilities, for instance.) The competition for U.S. immigrant visas is far higher amongst Indians simply by the numbers, so there may also be a filtering function at play.

▲icedchai 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is poor form. But if you've ever worked with one of the WITCH companies, these statements come as no surprise.

▲moi2388 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you ever dealt with indian software companies you would also know it to be an accurate statement, however

▲rei_xd 3 hours ago | parent [-]

unironically yes

▲xeonmc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And if you'd ask any of their own countryman they'd the first to agree with you vehemently and enumerate even more egregious grievances.