| ▲ | notyourwork 3 hours ago |
| Kings disregard democracy and do what they want. This is precisely what this elected official continues to attempt to do. No kings is a reminder that he and all other elected officials are not kings. |
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| ▲ | aeternum 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Hundreds of executive orders okay only when my guy is in charge |
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| ▲ | jimmydddd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Agreed. A No Executive Orders protest would be more clear and would be one I could get behind. It does seem like it would be good to limit the scope of Executive orders. Like, many were asking, how can he just close down the department of education with an exacutive order? Oh, it's because the department of education was formed by an excutive order of an earlier president in the first place. | | |
| ▲ | nradov an hour ago | parent [-] | | The scope of Executive Orders is already limited by the Constitution. What additional limitations are you asking for? In some cases Presidents have issued orders that exceeded their legal authority. The effects of those are eventually blocked by the judicial system, although that necessarily takes some time. | | |
| ▲ | Crunchified 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Well, a president should certainly be held accountable for any executive order that is overturned on constitutional grounds. Not only should the president have (and use) plenty of legal counsel to avoid this, but a president stepping beyond constitutional bounds is acting illegally which (a) none of us should and (b) ought not go unpunished. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Held accountable how? Like a fine or something? Maybe a strongly worded reprimand from the judiciary? | | |
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| ▲ | myersj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you think making things up and attributing them to other people is more or less constructive than replying to what they actually said? Do you usually get a great response when you go for cute X clapbacks, or... what? | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | DHS literally telling federal court judges that they are going to continue extraditing someone in face of a court order not to, that they are not going to turn a plane around. ICE refusing to make officers available to law enforcement for investigation of issues. A lot more happening than "making executive orders", though kudos to Trump for trying to sign executive orders that even his own DOJ are not just illegal, but unconstitutional. |
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| ▲ | giantg2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "No kings is a reminder that he and all other elected officials are not kings." It would be great if the "other elected officials" part turns out to be true, but my in my experience I don't see that happening. Have there been any policy proposals out of No Kings that would create better oversight and accountability? |
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| ▲ | verdverm 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There are ideas for how to improve representation, which comes first. I do not get the feeling that current elected officials are interested in ceding their position, power, and prestige. One of the good ideas are expanding ranked choice voting. One of the bad ideas is justifying gerrymandering, because the other side is doing it too. Roughly only 10% of House seats are actually competitive. This is a problem that needs fixing. |
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| ▲ | jimmydddd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But you can just vote them out. End of story. No Kings. Maybe I'm just too literal in my thinking. |
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| ▲ | romanows 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't vote anyone out alone, so groups/ideas like No Kings seek to collect people around some general organizing principle. Involved people are more likely to vote and it's possible that you highlight the issues for people who aren't aware or energized enough to vote. Plus, protests can influence other people in government, outside of elections. | |
| ▲ | delecti an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There was an attempted self-coup last time he was voted out. I think it's pretty reasonable to be extra reactive to anti-democratic tendencies from him. | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Keep an eye on the Texas Senate race and what happens if Talarico wins. Paxton has granted himself the ability to investigate election fraud as the sitting AG. Let's see if the will of the people is honored, or if the king steps in too. | |
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| ▲ | CodeWriter23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Please, cite examples. |
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| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | January 6, 2021 is well known. There are numerous examples leading up to, on the day, the years after, and even the first weeks of 2.0 - all interconnected - all anti-democratic. "NoKings" is one identity for the resistance to autocratic tendencies and the backslide of democracy seen globally. We does not need to be so literal, step back to see the full picture. |
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| ▲ | gosub100 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He's not attempting he's fucking doing it. Which to me signals deeper problems with our supposed "system of checks and balances" that we're taught since grade school. The system was specifically designed to prevent this, and yet it's happened. Whether Trump is impeached or imprisoned or whatever is secondary to plugging the holes he used to do this in the first place. |
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| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | While I agree with you, there is also the fact that America chose Trump 2.0 - something we should try to understand and learn from. We, the credentialed elite (most people do not have a college degree), have failed to help our neighbors and fellow citizens. The advent of the computer changed how automation impacted society. We (majority of HN audience) benefitted immensely, rising in wealth and social acclaim, while at the same time failing to create new tasks for regular people, who's jobs we replaced with technology. |
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| ▲ | mangodrunk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The No Kings protesters seem to want to disregard democracy because they don't like the current president. Repeatedly claimling the sky will fall given an election result seems to be undemocratic. Which certainly goes both ways, but right now it is the democrats who have fallen into this line of thinking. What has he done that is any more undemocratic than previous presidents? |
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| ▲ | myersj an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > disregard democracy because they don't like the current president What, specifically, do you think this means? Do you think they're trying to install a new government without a vote? Or is "disregard democracy" just word salad nonsense that you're repeating for some reason? | | |
| ▲ | mangodrunk an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, they (some democrats and No Kings protesters) seem to want to do some very undemocratic things. I am very concerned with much of the rhetoric on the left. I used to be more concerned with the right. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I agree the far left says concerning things, as I do the hard right. The difference to me today is I see intentional cruelty to our fellow humans by those currently in power. Especially from the likes of Pete Hegseth and Stephen Miller. |
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| ▲ | glompers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Naming taxpayer-funded public facilities for a living politician has been historically unusual in America. LaGuardia Airport and Shushan Airport in New Orleans were both named for sitting politicians because they were strongmen or allied with strongmen. Living ex-presidents were not fair game until the partisan late 1990s. It was still done primarily as a posthumous tribute. Naming taxpayer-funded facilities for a sitting president who hopes to find a way to run again was not done under Franklin Roosevelt and has always remained drastically outside of the Overton Window. While in office, Trump has now directed attention to making the following public items promote his personal brand, name, image or likeness: US Passports, US entry visas, US Naval class of vessels, US Institute of Peace federal building, National Park entry passes, and currency struck by the US Mint; Moreover, presidential staff have confirmed that the president has asked for New York Penn Station to be renamed for himself before he would agree to release congressionally approved federal funds for its improvement. He also explored having Washington Dulles International Airport renamed for him; since then, his supporters have renamed Palm Beach International Airport (IATA PBI) for him and changed the IATA designation to DJT. The president recently diverted over $22MM from Homeland Security and Border Protection to pay for television commercials featuring himself talking about causes dear to himself. I have not tracked whether this spending went to all major broadcast networks or was directed to be spent at networks that the president considered deserved the tax money. The third commercial "was virtually identical to an ad for Trump's Republican reelection campaign in 2024 and showed him walking down a hallway as his voice can be heard warning of a 'final battle' against 'globalists' and 'warmongers'." The president has reportedly agreed not to continue spending government money on this series but refuses to reimburse taxpayers the $22MM. | | |
| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | All true, and all both alarming and disgusting... with one nit. In 1926, coinage was struck with the image of the sitting president, in honor of the nation's 150th anniversary. It turns out that Trump on coins for the 250th anniversary has precedent. The rest of it... yeah. Appalling, especially when you put it all together like that. |
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| ▲ | libertine an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think any other president promoted anything like January 6, and doesn't recognize an election of a president to this day - undermining democracy, the same democratic system that elected him twice. Just that alone is enough I think. But you can also see his disgust to western democracies, and his fascination with autocracies, the vast majority of them are extremely incompetent - thank God for that at least. | | |
| ▲ | mangodrunk an hour ago | parent [-] | | What about the Russian Hoax to discredit Trump's first presidency? What about the repeated attempts by left wing fanatics and the rhetoric that supports such actions, like claims of being a king or a fascist? |
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| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > What has he done that is any more undemocratic than previous presidents? Can you recall any other instance where FoxNews boycotted the White House press pool in support of left wing media outlets? That is unprecedented as far as I know. What did Trump do that inspired FoxNews to make this choice? | | |
| ▲ | erulabs an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The executive (1/3rd of the government) being capricious with the press is _undoubtedly_ embarrassing and unamerican, but is so far away from the behavior of a true monarch that the name "no kings" is still farcical at best. | | |
| ▲ | serf 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | 'the press' is seen as a pillar of democracy, without which the rest of things fall apart. it's more important than you make it seem. | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's one example, there are daily reminders to why "NoKings" has staying power as a movement, compared to the Indivisible brand. I suggest watching a full segment from the oval office, listen to the things that preoccupy his mind. I do agree there is a ton of hyperbolics in NoKings / Indivisible / the left. I work within these organizations, enduring it, to temper their messages and opinions. Minds are moved in real life while biases are reinforced online. It's hard to forget there is another human with different experiences when you sit face to face. | | |
| ▲ | erulabs an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh my parents and their partners go to all the no kings rallies. I can see the size of the movement dwindling over time. I'm very happy someone is attempting to temper though, because, as I've said for a decade now, the hyperbolics drive way more support for your opponents than they do for your cause. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | Both extremes are shrinking, independents grow. This is a good thing. The far left and hard right do not represent the majority of people. Occupy Oligarchy, we are the 99% | | |
| ▲ | erulabs an hour ago | parent [-] | | Heck yeah, I appreciate you! | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | The way out starts with community. I cannot understate how much getting involved has positively impacted my life. We have to interact with those different from us if we are to find collaboration and compromise. |
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| ▲ | mangodrunk an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here are some things Obama did that were unprecedented or very concerning regarding the press: * Obama extensively used the Espionage Act to uncover government sources used by the press and also against the press directly * Obama secretly subpoenaed the phone calls of AP reporters * Obama didn't allow or severely restricted photojournalists I don't think that it is good to ban the media from the White House, and I do think the much of the criticism is fair, but to then claim that this is undemocratic is wrong. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | Both parties, the oligarchy, are the problem. Power continues to concentrate in the President, Congress does nothing. SCOTUS polls marginally better, the Press has ceased fulfilling their role. Wealth inequality reached an all time high in America. We The People are furious for varied and valid reasons. Occupy Oligarchy, we are the 99% | | |
| ▲ | mangodrunk an hour ago | parent [-] | | I do think there's a problem and certainly agree with the general sentiment. I also do think we probably have it better than most other countries. So, perhaps we can deal with the oligarchy and fraud within our system. I do think that is what led many to vote for Trump, in that they feel failed by both parties and Trump was an outsider, similar to Bernie's ascendance. | | |
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