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▲ mangodrunk 3 hours ago

The No Kings protesters seem to want to disregard democracy because they don't like the current president. Repeatedly claimling the sky will fall given an election result seems to be undemocratic. Which certainly goes both ways, but right now it is the democrats who have fallen into this line of thinking. What has he done that is any more undemocratic than previous presidents?

▲myersj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> disregard democracy because they don't like the current president

What, specifically, do you think this means? Do you think they're trying to install a new government without a vote?

Or is "disregard democracy" just word salad nonsense that you're repeating for some reason?

▲mangodrunk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, they (some democrats and No Kings protesters) seem to want to do some very undemocratic things.

I am very concerned with much of the rhetoric on the left. I used to be more concerned with the right.

▲verdverm an hour ago | parent [-]

I agree the far left says concerning things, as I do the hard right.

The difference to me today is I see intentional cruelty to our fellow humans by those currently in power. Especially from the likes of Pete Hegseth and Stephen Miller.

▲glompers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Naming taxpayer-funded public facilities for a living politician has been historically unusual in America. LaGuardia Airport and Shushan Airport in New Orleans were both named for sitting politicians because they were strongmen or allied with strongmen.

Living ex-presidents were not fair game until the partisan late 1990s. It was still done primarily as a posthumous tribute. Naming taxpayer-funded facilities for a sitting president who hopes to find a way to run again was not done under Franklin Roosevelt and has always remained drastically outside of the Overton Window. While in office, Trump has now directed attention to making the following public items promote his personal brand, name, image or likeness:

US Passports, US entry visas, US Naval class of vessels, US Institute of Peace federal building, National Park entry passes, and currency struck by the US Mint;

Moreover, presidential staff have confirmed that the president has asked for New York Penn Station to be renamed for himself before he would agree to release congressionally approved federal funds for its improvement. He also explored having Washington Dulles International Airport renamed for him; since then, his supporters have renamed Palm Beach International Airport (IATA PBI) for him and changed the IATA designation to DJT.

The president recently diverted over $22MM from Homeland Security and Border Protection to pay for television commercials featuring himself talking about causes dear to himself. I have not tracked whether this spending went to all major broadcast networks or was directed to be spent at networks that the president considered deserved the tax money. The third commercial "was virtually identical to an ad for Trump's Republican reelection campaign in 2024 and showed him walking down a hallway as his voice can be heard warning of a 'final battle' against 'globalists' and 'warmongers'." The president has reportedly agreed not to continue spending government money on this series but refuses to reimburse taxpayers the $22MM.

▲AnimalMuppet 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

All true, and all both alarming and disgusting... with one nit.

In 1926, coinage was struck with the image of the sitting president, in honor of the nation's 150th anniversary. It turns out that Trump on coins for the 250th anniversary has precedent.

The rest of it... yeah. Appalling, especially when you put it all together like that.

▲verdverm 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

> In 1926...

Populism and nationalism were on the rise, much like today. Hopefully we reflect on history and don't do another world war.

▲libertine 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think any other president promoted anything like January 6, and doesn't recognize an election of a president to this day - undermining democracy, the same democratic system that elected him twice.

Just that alone is enough I think.

But you can also see his disgust to western democracies, and his fascination with autocracies, the vast majority of them are extremely incompetent - thank God for that at least.

▲mangodrunk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What about the Russian Hoax to discredit Trump's first presidency?

What about the repeated attempts by left wing fanatics and the rhetoric that supports such actions, like claims of being a king or a fascist?

▲verdverm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> What has he done that is any more undemocratic than previous presidents?

Can you recall any other instance where FoxNews boycotted the White House press pool in support of left wing media outlets?

That is unprecedented as far as I know. What did Trump do that inspired FoxNews to make this choice?

▲erulabs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The executive (1/3rd of the government) being capricious with the press is _undoubtedly_ embarrassing and unamerican, but is so far away from the behavior of a true monarch that the name "no kings" is still farcical at best.

▲serf 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

'the press' is seen as a pillar of democracy, without which the rest of things fall apart.

it's more important than you make it seem.

▲verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's one example, there are daily reminders to why "NoKings" has staying power as a movement, compared to the Indivisible brand. I suggest watching a full segment from the oval office, listen to the things that preoccupy his mind.

I do agree there is a ton of hyperbolics in NoKings / Indivisible / the left. I work within these organizations, enduring it, to temper their messages and opinions. Minds are moved in real life while biases are reinforced online. It's hard to forget there is another human with different experiences when you sit face to face.

▲erulabs 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh my parents and their partners go to all the no kings rallies. I can see the size of the movement dwindling over time. I'm very happy someone is attempting to temper though, because, as I've said for a decade now, the hyperbolics drive way more support for your opponents than they do for your cause.

▲verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Both extremes are shrinking, independents grow. This is a good thing. The far left and hard right do not represent the majority of people.

Occupy Oligarchy, we are the 99%

▲erulabs an hour ago | parent [-]

Heck yeah, I appreciate you!

▲verdverm an hour ago | parent [-]

The way out starts with community. I cannot understate how much getting involved has positively impacted my life. We have to interact with those different from us if we are to find collaboration and compromise.

▲mangodrunk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Here are some things Obama did that were unprecedented or very concerning regarding the press:

* Obama extensively used the Espionage Act to uncover government sources used by the press and also against the press directly

* Obama secretly subpoenaed the phone calls of AP reporters

* Obama didn't allow or severely restricted photojournalists

I don't think that it is good to ban the media from the White House, and I do think the much of the criticism is fair, but to then claim that this is undemocratic is wrong.

▲verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Both parties, the oligarchy, are the problem. Power continues to concentrate in the President, Congress does nothing. SCOTUS polls marginally better, the Press has ceased fulfilling their role. Wealth inequality reached an all time high in America. We The People are furious for varied and valid reasons.

Occupy Oligarchy, we are the 99%

▲mangodrunk an hour ago | parent [-]

I do think there's a problem and certainly agree with the general sentiment. I also do think we probably have it better than most other countries. So, perhaps we can deal with the oligarchy and fraud within our system. I do think that is what led many to vote for Trump, in that they feel failed by both parties and Trump was an outsider, similar to Bernie's ascendance.

▲verdverm an hour ago | parent [-]

I agree, I have not heard it put better than The Tyranny of Merit by Michael Sandel. It goes beyond party politics to the failures of Liberal Democracy stemming from its own success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp5qsEuUOWo