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▲ jarjoura 2 hours ago

I want an electric car that has tactile buttons, an instrument cluster and doesn't put the entire brain of a car in a mobile app controlled by a remote server.

That car costs $200k in the US.

Outside of North America, the cars are really good and affordable. So it's out there. We are clearly doing something wrong here.

▲tzs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I had no trouble finding such an EV in the US last year. My Hyundai Kona SEL EV has something like 50+ tactile buttons, an instrument cluster, everything I need works without the app, and was nowhere near $200k (the total was $34k).

They don't seem to be selling Kona EV in the US this year, but their other EVs are similar. Same with the Kia Niro and the other Kia EVs. I'm pretty sure Chevy EVs are similar as far as buttons and the instrument cluster goes, although I think they might be more app dependent. Oh, Nissan EVs were also similar, although I have no idea about their app use.

▲dlcarrier 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

The Kia (or КИ) Niro is a rebadged Hyundai Kona, both based on the K3 platform. They share drivetrains, but the interfaces can differ quite a bit, e.g. with one using physical buttons and the other using capacitive buttons.

▲fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I want any car that doesn't spy on me for the profit of the manufacturer. Any car that I don't have to wonder if someone could gain remote access on the back of the manufacturer's data connection and use that to injure or kill me. At present the only option is (at least in general) physically disconnecting or otherwise damaging the modem which places you at risk of not receiving software recalls and prevents first responders from being automatically notified in the event of a serious crash.

▲warkdarrior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I want an electric car that has tactile buttons, an instrument cluster and doesn't put the entire brain of a car in a mobile app controlled by a remote server.

> That car costs $200k in the US.

Which car is that?

▲anovikov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Reality check: US is by far the cheapest market for new cars, because of insane volumes and competition. Europeans shell out for a Golf as much as Americans do for a (even if shitty) monster truck. And a much higher proportion of their incomes.

▲john01dav 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kia trucks and similiar classes of products (cheap, robust, no fancy features, intensely practical) are very common in some places (notably some parts of Asia) but are also extremely hard to find in the US, primarily due to regulatory reasons. BYD cars are also often cheaper than US options, but are also not available in the US.

▲kleiba2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

According to the Volkswagen website, a Golf starts at €29,835 € (incl. VAT) while according to the Ford website, a Ford F150 XL (which isn't exactly a monster truck) starts at $39,585 which Google tells me is around €35,263 (excl. VAT).

▲marcyb5st 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, good luck parking that anywhere in Europe parking spots or drive it through downtowns.

I grew up close to the US base Ederle in Italy. Plenty of the cars that the US folks that brought over were in rough conditions (scratches, dents, ...).

▲anovikov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Everything comes in comparison! By EU standards, it IS absolutely a monster fucking truck.

▲prmoustache 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Europe is not necessarily the correct example as it artificially tweaks the market the same way USA do: with tariffs.

Look at latin america, asia, africa or oceania. Chinese cars everywhere, and not only electric, ICE market is also flooded with brands named after seemingly random letters like on those chinese electronics sold on amazon.