| ▲ | jarjoura 2 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I want an electric car that has tactile buttons, an instrument cluster and doesn't put the entire brain of a car in a mobile app controlled by a remote server. That car costs $200k in the US. Outside of North America, the cars are really good and affordable. So it's out there. We are clearly doing something wrong here. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | tzs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I had no trouble finding such an EV in the US last year. My Hyundai Kona SEL EV has something like 50+ tactile buttons, an instrument cluster, everything I need works without the app, and was nowhere near $200k (the total was $34k). They don't seem to be selling Kona EV in the US this year, but their other EVs are similar. Same with the Kia Niro and the other Kia EVs. I'm pretty sure Chevy EVs are similar as far as buttons and the instrument cluster goes, although I think they might be more app dependent. Oh, Nissan EVs were also similar, although I have no idea about their app use. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I want any car that doesn't spy on me for the profit of the manufacturer. Any car that I don't have to wonder if someone could gain remote access on the back of the manufacturer's data connection and use that to injure or kill me. At present the only option is (at least in general) physically disconnecting or otherwise damaging the modem which places you at risk of not receiving software recalls and prevents first responders from being automatically notified in the event of a serious crash. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | warkdarrior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> I want an electric car that has tactile buttons, an instrument cluster and doesn't put the entire brain of a car in a mobile app controlled by a remote server. > That car costs $200k in the US. Which car is that? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | anovikov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Reality check: US is by far the cheapest market for new cars, because of insane volumes and competition. Europeans shell out for a Golf as much as Americans do for a (even if shitty) monster truck. And a much higher proportion of their incomes. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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