| ▲ | OpenBSD 8.0(openbsd.org) |
| 202 points by privong 5 hours ago | 61 comments |
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| ▲ | Trusteando 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| As someone that doesn't knows about openbsd but uses ubuntu I read the comments and post, and then LLM-google the main differences, the stance about LLM code acceptance was one important factor apart from the user-friendly and security differences. I asked about the possible convergence of both systems in the LLM era, it seems that openbsd is less prone to accept a trojan horse. |
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| ▲ | k310 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is. https://www.openbsd.org/images/blowfishonbike-s.gif |
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| ▲ | rektlessness 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Forget the artwork and check out the accompanying song and lyrics for the new release.
I think it's one of the funnier ones so far.
https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80 | | |
| ▲ | rustyhancock 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Is it a pun? The Simps on AI The Simpson AI? And then the 3 eyes fish makes a reference to Blinky https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Two_Cars_in_Every_Garage_an... | |
| ▲ | Bankq 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Back in my day we didn't have artificial intelligence, we had real stupidity - and we liked it.” | | |
| ▲ | mehmetd46 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Real stupidity is still available, you just have to opt in. Yesterday I spent an evening writing Game of Life in Prolog for no good reason, and it gave me 941 live cells instead of 18,885 because my neighbour rule counted diagonals twice. Finding that bug by hand was more fun than anything an agent did for me that day. The pointless tinkering didn't go away, we just have to choose it now. |
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| ▲ | j3th9n a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is clearly AI generated and that’s the message. | |
| ▲ | somat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I suspect it is social commentary on the dangers of letting the machine do all your thinking for you. | |
| ▲ | Guestmodinfo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I really like OpenBSD. I have used it for years. I feel the folks there are very helpful and awesome but I also do not like that graphic. | | |
| ▲ | somat 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are not supposed to, it is intended to represent(and probably is) a machine generated image. I have not really formalized my thoughts on the matter, but it boils down to. It feels great to get the machine to generate a thing for you but it feels terrible to receive a thing from somebody that is machine generated. The worse part is the paranoia, Now I am seeing "tells" of machine generated content, and it may or may not be. But I have already lost interest. The real irony would be that it is a hand drawn image carefully animated to feel machine generated. | | | |
| ▲ | k310 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mainly don't like the self-destructive aspect. Even if it's a spoof. Especially when I see all the self-destructive goings-on in the world, based on senselessly divisive beliefs or just the power-seeking that generates them to divide and conquer. I once met Ken Bering, "The Wheelchair Guy" whose foundation provided wheelchairs for people who could not afford them. The wheels weren't spiked, nor were they like a Seinfeld episode, where George donates a cheap wheelchair with poor brakes that sends its occupant down a steep hill. Oh well. | |
| ▲ | samtheprogram 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To be fair, I'm reading it as satire of AI. So not liking it is kind of the point. | |
| ▲ | jart 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They're just showing humility. Give them a break. | |
| ▲ | GalaxyNova 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | that's the point |
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| ▲ | vladde 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | similar on the front page https://www.openbsd.org/index.html , "UNDSREA LREER" it seems very much like social commentary. | |
| ▲ | enriquto 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is. They are purposefully iconoclast with whatever aesthetics are "socially acceptable" for mainstream nerds. For example, their use of comic-sans in official presentations. Here they use ridiculous slop in front of an audience of conservative unix hackers. You can find it funny with the right mindset. The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years : ssh myopenbsdbox # log-in to your machine
doas sysupgrade # will log you out, go drink some coffee
ssh myopenbsdbox # log-in to the upgraded machine
doas sysmerge # (optional) solve merge conflicts of your cfg files
doas pkg_add -u # (optional) upgrade local packages
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| ▲ | sidkshatriya 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years The upgrade mechanism on a typical Linux distribution is _even more_ gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years. # Fedora/RHEL
$ sudo dnf upgrade -y
# Debian/Ubuntu
$ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
# Arch Linux
$ sudo pacman -Syu
The false distinction between the OS packages and user installed packages during upgrade causes much unneeded complexity. FreeBSD is making this go away which is welcome. | | |
| ▲ | enriquto a minute ago | parent [-] | | # Debian/Ubuntu
$ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
But this is equivalent to syspatch && pkg_add -u , this does not upgrade the computer from one version of the OS to the next. |
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| ▲ | nanolith 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't forget: doas syspatch. They tend to find some minor issues rather quickly after release. Since I maintain my own custom patch set under OpenBSD, this is also usually when I need to vendor in the new release and update all of my patches. |
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| ▲ | benrutter 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is an amazing image, I am fully on board with whatever it is. Is the animation comically slow for anyone else? | |
| ▲ | exhilaration 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would just like to say that the Simpsons Already Did It: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Blinky | | | |
| ▲ | Cordiali 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a reference to your basic 'Baton Roue' meme. I assume it's meant to represent the perspective of pro-AI people, but it's ambiguous. | |
| ▲ | jeffrallen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's like a pelican on a bicycle, but with social commentary. | |
| ▲ | st_goliath an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | OpenLSD, bicycle day edition? | |
| ▲ | jamal-kumar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Puffy's always looked kind of weird. I remember when they gave the damn fish human lips a few times and it always put me off | | | |
| ▲ | weitzj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would guess it is the pelican on a bicycle reimagined ;) | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And a reference to a meme of someone sticking a pipe into their own bike and complaining about someone else. |
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| ▲ | Razengan 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's literally in the name | |
| ▲ | colesantiago 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And so it begins. SlopenBSD. Disappointing OpenBSD is and all of software is descending into slop. Don't care if it is satire or not. | |
| ▲ | sippingabonedry 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Before they were anti-AI edgelords, they were anti-VM edgelords. Now they ship their own hypervisor in the base system. | | |
| ▲ | QwenGlazer9000 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not that they were anti VM, they just didn't think it was a proper security boundary. | | |
| ▲ | tosti an hour ago | parent [-] | | And they've been proven correct. Even the "secure" variety with hardware level encryption turned out to be vulnerable. |
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| ▲ | bentley 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think the theme is “anti‐AI.” I think what it’s trying to express is something along the lines of “take responsibility for your code,” where one’s code is the code one unleashes upon the world. But that’s just my interpretation. |
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| ▲ | gucci-on-fleek 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does the version number going from v7.X->v8.0 mean that this is a larger update than v7.8->v7.9, or does the numbering just automatically roll over to the next major version when it reaches vX.9? |
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| ▲ | synack 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, the major number has no special significance to OpenBSD. 8.0 is just what comes after 7.9. | |
| ▲ | himata4113 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | as linus torvalds puts it: big numbers confuse me, so the next kernel version will be 7.0 | | |
| ▲ | tosti an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | He ran out of fingers and toes to count on. (Wait, what comes after 19.19, or 20.19, 20.20, then what?) | | |
| ▲ | creshal 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | By that point medicine will be sufficiently advanced that we can graft new fingers on him, obviously. That'll also make him more productive, given he's an emacs user. |
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| ▲ | Razengan 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did they ever have a Linux 6.9? | | |
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| ▲ | nanolith 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've used OpenBSD as a laptop daily driver for nearly 20 years. It's small. It remains mostly consistent between updates. In fact, it's so stable that I barely notice changes when I upgrade until I go hunting for them. The Lenovo laptop I use as my travel laptop and console display is a 2012. It still runs OpenBSD just fine. |
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| ▲ | zdw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In recent past releases there was a noticeable improvement to SMP related networking bits. Does anyone have benchmarks between 8.0 and previous releases in that department? |
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| ▲ | idatum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have a Lenovo laptop running OpenBSD 8.0. What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great! |
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| ▲ | asimovDev 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree that it's great but as an anecdote, I have an arch linux laptop i upgrade 1-2 times a year and it still works too, been that way since 2019 so went through major kernel upgrades without a hitch. Only thing that ever broke were nvidia drivers sometimes because it's an shudders OPTIMUS laptop. Last time I updated it, vibe coding wasn't widespread yet so I am wondering if new package versions will finally kill it if I were to upgrade it now | |
| ▲ | prmoustache 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I like OpenBSD, but I don't think this is a specific reason to appreciate it as any decent OS these days has been upgradeable release upon release safely for more than 2 decades, regardless if it is a linux distro, an Open/Net/FreeBSD system, a macOS or Windows system. | |
| ▲ | somat an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have an old(mutters to self don't look at date then I will feel old... Oh god it's from 2012) lenovo laptop that is my daily driver for portable ops. I run openbsd on it and... well it's perfect. sleeps perfectly, radio works well, I understand the OS. I will be very sad when it dies. I did just re do the heatsink compound, so hopefully it has many years left, but I worry about the fan. |
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| ▲ | MycroftJones 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I read the Changelog I had to check if it was April Fools day. Is this a real OpenBSD release? Feels early. Also, many of those changes don't sound like real OpenBSD changes. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They come out approximately every May and October, and have for quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD#Releases | | |
| ▲ | MycroftJones an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thank you. Was just wondering because the items in the Changelog look.... LLMish. Not something I'd have expected from OpenBSD. On the other hand, it looks like they've done a bunch of improvements I'd have assumed they'd done years ago. I wouldn't blame them. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Anyone managed to get this running on a 2018 (Intel) Mac Mini? I tried 7.8 or 7.9, I forget which, not long ago and was flummoxed. |
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| ▲ | jan_m_savage 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| like a virus, slop will infect the techsphere, and it will become a real pain in the bollocks to siftt thru the mountains of semi-slop just to get to the real, reliable and human-made stuff. |
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