> so the EU should trust neither Chinese nor US models

Yes, in theory. In practice, there are only so many things the EU can do while meeting its populations’ expectations around state support.

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tensor 4 hours ago | parent [-]

State support has nothing to do with anything. Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.

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user43928 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I understand Mistral compared to DeepSeek Flash is less intelligent, late, more expensive, and a third of the speed.

Equivalent might be stretching it.

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m00dy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

never seen anyone using Mistral's models.

	▲	alex-moon 44 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I have.

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cheonic4040 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.

In practice, European companies don’t use Mistral.

First acknowledge the reality, then we can propose solutions.

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omnimus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is actually not unrealistic to imagine laws for eu gov software only to allow Mistral or Aleph alpha models. They are pretty good - on par with deepseek atleast. There are all kinds of similar requirements already from software stacks to databases.

What I would see even more likely are requirements of no agent commits, use of only human written/vetted code under their name.

	▲	msdz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> on par with deepseek atleast For chatbot-style usage maybe, can’t really attest to that; for long-running, long-context “agentic” work including planning, within a harness etc., definitely not (yet). > What I would see even more likely are requirements of no agent commits, use of only human written/vetted code under their name. I mean in the end that’s what the Kernel project does now, IIRC? Everything has to have a response human’s sign-off.