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▲ kevmo 3 hours ago

All of those people belong in prison.

▲jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They do, but I stopped subscribing to the just world hypothesis a couple of decades ago. There is just too much broken and money has too much power to be reined in by justice.

▲ambione 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

nah respectfully, to hell with this doomerism. these people and groups have names. their deeds have paper trails. For every single one of them, there's millions of us. It's a matter of sorting out the polluted discourse, remembering we have 99% more in common than otherwise, organizing, electing grassroots politicians who truly represent the people and our interests, and then finally holding them accountable through prosecution.

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'll take that bet. $1000 that five years from now none of these fat cats are behind bars. I'm good for the money.

▲BorisMelnik 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would also take that bet, but when the pain gets great enough people do come out and vote historically anyway

▲lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s the tidy way. Going full Luigi is a darker path.

▲Loughla 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People coming out when they felt great pain is what got us Donald Trump. I don't know if you remember the 2016 election, but I do. People were RABID for Trump. Something something be careful what you wish for.

▲ScoobleDoodle an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In 2016 the tone was wanting for an outsider not a political insider. Trump was the only outsider on the final ticket.

On the Democratic ticket Bernie Sanders would have been the outsider. But the Democratic National Committee under Debbie Wasserman Shultz made sure to avoid a vote by the people of the Democrat party and put in their chosen one, insider Hillary Clinton.

▲lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> People were RABID for Trump.

‘Were’? Has that changed? They got exactly what they voted for.

▲Loughla 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

I was not trying to say they aren't still. I was just saying that in 2016 they were out in droves voting for him.

▲tokioyoyo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ll add another $1000 in support. It’s funny/sad how fast things change, especially one’s values given the circumstances.

▲bdangubic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲ambione 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you'd likely be right. I'm not contesting that. The world and its people have been utterly raped to ashes, yet the apocalyptic rapture the parties responsible have been building their doomsday shelters for has never and will never arrive. Instead from these ashes we are seeing change emerging. It's slow sure, and hell maybe it won't be enough, but the grassroots ARE giving the old corrupt institutions something to sweat about (on 'both sides' if you'd like to see it that way). People are increasingly having less and less to lose. Get informed. inform others. organize with them. build community with them. The weight we hold together outweighs the solipsistic vampires. Have hope even if it's irrational, that's when we need it most. materialize it. DO something with it - even if we don't get to enjoy the fruits that may come of it; at least those who come after us will, and that's worth something. Besides, they're banking on your apathy as well.

▲cindyllrn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲hackyhacky 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> For every single one of them, there's millions of us.

Yes, the ruling elite are typically outnumbered by the masses. It matters little: by historical standards, the ruling powers have virtually always leveraged their power to exploit those who don't have power. No reason to assume that streak will end.

▲apsurd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it’s sinister because I believe most of us (by definition) think of ourselves as part of the people but as one has ambitions and becomes capable, the pull of “success” spares nobody.

Flock is dystopian. It’s also non ironically pitched as solving crime. it’s also our friendly neighborhood YC company.

▲daveguy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The work was done to put dumpty behind bars with evidence of his crimes in multiple jurisdictions. And enough people got manipulated by social media campaigns in the 4 years after the 2020 elections that most of them didn't even know the facts of the cases. There's a reason dumpty works with those in the photo. It's because they have created an effective and customizable propaganda campaign tool.

▲stackghost 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fascism has never been defeated without violence, but Americans are too complacent to rise up in arms, despite the societal gun fetish.

It’s over.

▲apsurd 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

its a weird thing to wish for violence in this case. but i agree and just now France is in the news again for violent protests. They’ve seen the movie and they’re now vigilant.

USA has it’s comforts, that’s like the entire sell. Huge homes, huge lawns, huge plates, huge cars. Add movies, reality tv shows, game studios, and now gambling on anything because gambling in the stock market isn’t enough juice.

fuck we’re cooked.

▲shawn_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The people with the gun fetish are largely on the side of the fascists.

▲z0ltan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲nullsanity 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲shimman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't need a just world to imprison tech CEOs. These people are hated by the vast majority of the public and they are hoarding all the wealth. Society is at it's breaking point and we have a very convenient scape goat that everyone rightfully hates sitting right there.

The universe may not be just, but it seems to set many things in motion if you want to participate.

▲kcplate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What law do you believe that they have broken?

▲Jcampuzano2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Combined, their companies have broken basically every law in the book that you could when it comes to privacy and copyright.

▲nfw2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

How copyright applies to ai training hasn't been established.

▲shimman an hour ago | parent [-]

Good news, Congress can change the law to be whatever society wants.

▲nfw2 an hour ago | parent [-]

congress can not pass ex post facto laws making things in the past retroactively illegal, it's in the constitution

▲senordevnyc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Gasp, not copyright! Quick, get the pitchforks!!

▲gilrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What sort of lion lives in the sea?

▲mindslight an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be quicker if you listed what laws you think they haven't broken. And remember, the bar for conspiracy is quite low.

▲jiggawatts 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every AI company has flagrantly violated copyright, to begin with.

But that's not the point!

The point is that the laws are written by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs.

Laws are made to protect wealth and power, so of course the wealthy and powerful haven't "broken" them.

▲nfw2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A flagrant violation requires clearly established jurisprudence. What is considered fair use has always been nebulous, and to the extent that there are standards on it, it's mainly through established precedence, of which there is none on AI training.

One can argue that the closest thing to an AI's training on a book is a person reading a book and remembering the details, which i'm sure you reject, but it's not prima facie unreasonable.

▲senordevnyc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is genuinely so funny to me.

Five years ago this site was ready to burn you at the stake if you defended copyright laws, which clearly were only written to protect the rich and powerful, like Disney!

Now those laws are obviously there to defend the little guy against the oligarchs, and we should ready our pitchforks to march on Silicon Valley for daring to violate our precious copyright laws!!

▲ftmch 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think HN takes issue with the hypocrisy of the matter. Copyright law was used to punish regular people for consuming illegal media, but AI tech companies are forgiven for using the same illegal methods to run a business.

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▲kevmo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

RICO, sexual assault of minors, treason, labor laws, drug laws, and probably a million other things.