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| ▲ | vsgherzi 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don’t really think it’s something to agree or not agree on. This is the experience I’ve had as an Apple user. I use their products extensively and like them quite a bit. The issues I’ve seen I deem unacceptable for a company of this caliber. I’m not talking about .6 seconds of load time or absolute customization. I’m talking about FaceTime actually switching when I click the button. Apple Music not leaking memory. Basic usability not niche items. Now unfortunately apples stuff is usually a cut above other software I’ve used but in my opinion is nowhere near as good as it should be. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess I’m not understanding the standard here. You’re saying they’re usually a cut above other software but simultaneously their software quality is unacceptable. I don’t even really disagree with the negative experiences you’ve had, I’m just more saying that those experiences are inevitable in software. Being above average is about as good as Apple has ever been. And I think that standard is also true with hardware. A lot of their hardware is supremely overrated. The MacBook Pro has a sharp edge that cuts into your wrist and has a gigantic notch on the screen. | | |
| ▲ | vsgherzi 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | 1. Much of the software I interact with is bad. 2. I’ve had better luck with Apple software but I’d still categorize it as “bad” relative to the good software I’ve interacted with. This is a form for software engineers. In the 90’s users accepted things like applications crashing due to lack of memory protection in the OS. We know to expect better. Again I’m not asking for some alternate reality version of software. I’m asking them to fix clear issues that they do not seem to care about. Not to mention Apple is a large engineering organization with plenty of talent. The software dosent need to be bug free but I shouldn’t run into as many issues as I do. Some other fun ones:
Finder locking up and refusing to minimize FaceTime putting me in a call with “testing” when I switch devices Safari’s extension icon flashing on and off on iOS Stalling on the lock screen despite me looking directly at the phone to unlock it To me these are issues that should not make it past the engineers and layers of testing. I don’t think this is unreasonable do you? | | |
| ▲ | Danox 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sounds like you need to switch/try the Microsoft ecosystem or maybe the Linux ecosystem good luck. | |
| ▲ | brookst 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If I'm understanding you: - Apple's software is better than most - Apple's software is still imperfect, often in dumb ways - Apple should be able to be dramatically more perfect than anyone else in software has managed to be | | |
| ▲ | vsgherzi 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | not quite, you're missing some crucial points. "Apple should be able to be dramatically more perfect than anyone else in software has managed to be" is off by a lot | | |
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| ▲ | amluto 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem as I see it is
not crashes and leaks. It’s that basic features are barely functional and the UI is not very usable. Stupid examples from recently: - The iOS 27 Preview app’s search feature appears to be present while in markup mode but missing while not in markup mode (this is quite reproducible for me). - Mobile Safari regularly gets into a state where the overlay showing the current website domain gets stuck obscuring an important part of the site. - On MacOS if you accidentally switch desktops you cannot switch back until the animation from the first switch finishes. - Spotlight is still hilariously bad. - The MacOS Music app’s AirPlay controls are barely functional. - If you have an excessive number of desktop apps open, finding the one you want is gratuitously difficult. Sure, the bottom dock widget is pretty, but that doesn’t make it efficient. - While typing this message, multiple different glitchy UI elements have appeared and disappeared. - On iOS, if the keyboard is showing and you don’t want it, tough luck. |
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| ▲ | solyin 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Spotlight is still hilariously bad. Fwiw, Alfred is still being sold. |
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| ▲ | Bang2Bay 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| imovie is one software that does not work for the common man. you need to be a pro to even make a basic video. |
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| ▲ | cyberax 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I just don’t really agree with the idea that Apple’s apps are crashing and memory leaking all over the place, and if they are, not more than the median application. Apple has some amazing engineering in the basic OS layer and the UI kit, but everything on top of it is just bad. E.g. it now takes about 5 seconds to "Privacy & Security" in the system settings, and I can see a visible delay when switching between sections (e.g. to "Screen Time"). Network settings are just embarrassing at this point - you can't sort the WiFi networks by name when looking at the saved settings! Time Machine has been a disaster zone for the last 20 years. The keyboard navigation experience in macOS is a disgrace, worse than Win3.11 The virtualization experience of macOS sucks, and there is no support for containers (even Windows has them!). I can continue for a long time. |
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| ▲ | tonyedgecombe 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >E.g. it now takes about 5 seconds to "Privacy & Security" in the system settings It's instant for me on a six year old base level Mini. | |
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| ▲ | wtallis 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > "and if they are, not more than the median application." Comparing against the median means you've already thoroughly missed the point. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | How much better is Apple hardware compared to the median? I don’t really think the iPhone is better than most Chinese brand phones. It charges slower and doesn’t have the latest battery technology. Most of what it makes it better than the competition is the software. This angel’s halo around Apple was always a marketing illusion. They make above average hardware and above average software. Nothing more, nothing less. | | |
| ▲ | Danox 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is that why the Chinese phones have a 7000ah-9000ah battery? and most of Apple’s phones have a 4900ah-5400ah battery? |
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| ▲ | kibwen 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > and if they are, not more than the median application What point is there in paying the premium Apple luxury tax if it's as crap as the median? |
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