I don’t really think it’s something to agree or not agree on. This is the experience I’ve had as an Apple user. I use their products extensively and like them quite a bit. The issues I’ve seen I deem unacceptable for a company of this caliber. I’m not talking about .6 seconds of load time or absolute customization. I’m talking about FaceTime actually switching when I click the button. Apple Music not leaking memory. Basic usability not niche items.

Now unfortunately apples stuff is usually a cut above other software I’ve used but in my opinion is nowhere near as good as it should be.

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Grombobulous 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess I’m not understanding the standard here. You’re saying they’re usually a cut above other software but simultaneously their software quality is unacceptable.

I don’t even really disagree with the negative experiences you’ve had, I’m just more saying that those experiences are inevitable in software. Being above average is about as good as Apple has ever been.

And I think that standard is also true with hardware. A lot of their hardware is supremely overrated. The MacBook Pro has a sharp edge that cuts into your wrist and has a gigantic notch on the screen.

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vsgherzi 14 hours ago | parent [-]

1. Much of the software I interact with is bad.

2. I’ve had better luck with Apple software but I’d still categorize it as “bad” relative to the good software I’ve interacted with.

This is a form for software engineers. In the 90’s users accepted things like applications crashing due to lack of memory protection in the OS. We know to expect better.

Again I’m not asking for some alternate reality version of software. I’m asking them to fix clear issues that they do not seem to care about.

Not to mention Apple is a large engineering organization with plenty of talent. The software dosent need to be bug free but I shouldn’t run into as many issues as I do.

Some other fun ones: Finder locking up and refusing to minimize

FaceTime putting me in a call with “testing” when I switch devices

Safari’s extension icon flashing on and off on iOS

Stalling on the lock screen despite me looking directly at the phone to unlock it

To me these are issues that should not make it past the engineers and layers of testing.

I don’t think this is unreasonable do you?

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Danox 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sounds like you need to switch/try the Microsoft ecosystem or maybe the Linux ecosystem good luck.

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brookst 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If I'm understanding you:

- Apple's software is better than most

- Apple's software is still imperfect, often in dumb ways

- Apple should be able to be dramatically more perfect than anyone else in software has managed to be

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vsgherzi 9 hours ago | parent [-]

not quite, you're missing some crucial points. "Apple should be able to be dramatically more perfect than anyone else in software has managed to be" is off by a lot

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