The term E2EE has been subverted. Apps like WhatsApp claiming to be E2EE, but only if you actually enable it, so that people think they are being encrypted when they are not does not help. ProtonMail falls into this as well where allowing email to non-encrypted addresses means there is no encryption. It's obvious to some, but not so for the majority. Very few people read the caveats that WhatsApp and ProtonMail provide.

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traceroute66 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> ProtonMail falls into this as well where allowing email to non-encrypted addresses means there is no encryption.

You can send password protected mails that the recipient can read in the browser given a pre-shared password. https://proton.me/support/password-protected-emails

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DharmaPolice 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

WhatsApp doesn't have any option to enable/disable encryption for standard messages that I can see. Business chat messages are not encrypted and neither are backups (by default) but if Alice messages Bob on a fresh WhatsApp install, the message is E2EE (as far as I know). Is that incorrect?

	▲	wongogue 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		WhatsApp backups are not encrypted by default.

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weakened_malloc 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you explain WhatsApp further? Every 1:1 chat I have typically leaves a little note saying it's e2ee

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wongogue 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s Telegram. WhatsApp doesn’t have a toggle except for backups.

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cowlevel 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Telegram is the worst though, everyone thinks it's secure and it actually has no security features at all