| ▲ | Georgelemental 17 hours ago |
| > Perhaps not even for themselves or their country, but just to witness the enemy collapse when it all ends. I hope more than anything that Ukraine (and Russia, and Israel, and Palestine, and all the war-torn regions of the world) can one day be free of this ghoulish mindset, that world leaders will choose life instead of worshipping death |
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| ▲ | darkwi11ow 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You're probably was lucky to be born in war-free region, so it is easy to
label things as ghoulish from a position of morally concerned outsider. You was never forced
to leave your homeland and become a refugee, you was not separated from your loved ones
by the border of warring countries, your friends and loved ones were not killed or imprisoned
by invading nazi army.
And it's a good thing for yourself, but you are not in a suitable position to judge Ukrainians or Syrians
or other peoples who have been through it. |
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| ▲ | Georgelemental an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, I am lucky enough to not have experienced mass violence, and also I don't wish it on anyone else. I empathize (though I do not agree) with people who have experienced it, have had their souls worn down by the evil done to them, and who adopt these sorts of attitudes because of that. But there are also people who have had lives just as easy as mine, and yet, from their place of safety and comfort, they egg on war, and cheer when others get killed. I have nothing but contempt for this last group |
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| ▲ | culi 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This consistent oversimplification and allergy to reading actual history and being an informed citizen is what ensures these types of wars will continue |
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| ▲ | jojobas 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah wishing to see people who tried to torture and kill you dead is ghoulish. |
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| ▲ | AIorNot 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not ghoulish but it also perpuates a never ending cycle unfortunately- we as in each culture, man, woman are all wronged in so many ways and most have legitimate grievances and are skilled in restarting and kindling those grievances with the next batch of children..ironically religion and nationalism kindles that even further while also providing a base identity to create fellowship between its adherents But is the only way out further death and destruction? Blessed be the peacemakers, as they say | | |
| ▲ | jojobas 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | While the attack on you is ongoing, yes, fighting back is the only way out. Giving up and dying is not peacemaking. | | |
| ▲ | thayne 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fighting back to protect yourself is one thing, but exacting revenge leads to a cycle of violence. Especially when it is on an entire nationality or ethnicity. | | |
| ▲ | dmkolobov 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Honestly, who are you talking to and what are you reading? Most Ukrainians I've met, my parents, their friends, refugees we've met: just want the Russians to go home. | | |
| ▲ | thayne 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | From a few levels up in this thread: > Perhaps not even for themselves or their country, but just to witness the enemy collapse when it all ends To me this sounds like a desire for retribution, not just an end to hostilities. And that is what I am replying to. I have no reason to believe that is an attitude commonly held by Ukrainians. And it seems like that post wasn't even written by a Ukranian. |
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| ▲ | bpavuk 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | on a serious note, it really is. death/execution as a punishment makes no sense. there are fates worse than death for those whose offenses we'd love to spill the blood for. Alcatraz is one such place where those fates are served. and for crimes that are not enough to execute for, bog-standard prisons are enough. they are imperfect, but those willing to change prove themselves there, and a good one should give enough opportunities for a criminal to re-educate, reconsider some of their life choices, and rehabilitate. punishment by death is never the right fit. | | |
| ▲ | jojobas 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | We're not talking a finished crime where "peaceful" punishment is an option. It is an ongoing war, missiles destroy cities and lives. When someone is doing that to you, killing them is usually the only way to stop it. Surrendering is not an option, see Bucha. | | |
| ▲ | bpavuk 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | agree. yet, most of the time, most people have enforcement infra, and having an intent to kill, and not resisting it, is ghoulish. that way, one is perpetuating the very cycle that Europe attempted to stop within itself through coal and steel |
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| ▲ | i_love_retros 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How can you group Ukraine and Palestine in with Russia and Israel? Russia and Israel are the countries causing the regions to be war torn. They are mass murdering invaders, no better than Nazi Germany. |
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