| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago |
| I find it somewhat interesting Russia is likely sabotaging these stations while Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine in fighting Russia. Very Spy vs Spy. Pick a lane! |
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| ▲ | tcdent 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You're talking about Starshield, which is operated by the US Government via services contracted, not personally regulated by Musk himself. Starlink, the commercial product, was always off limits for military operations (the type that require connectivity at 100+ MPH). So, no, this is not one person dictating the usage. Starlink’s Acceptable Use Policy explicitly prohibits: - Remotely controlling or piloting any aerial drone or unmanned vehicle (unless otherwise contractually permitted by SpaceX). - Engaging in any military activity other than approved morale/welfare/recreation programs for service members. |
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| ▲ | culi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Starshield uses all of Starlink's satellites and a few special ones specific to Starshield. There's been plenty of cases in Ukraine of suicide drones being configured to starlink accounts instead of military ones. In fact, that's exactly how Russia took advantage of starlink for the first 2 years. While there might be a legal distinction between the two systems, technically speaking, it's mostly a matter of configuration. | |
| ▲ | yencabulator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Starlink, the commercial product, was always off limits for military operations (the type that require connectivity at 100+ MPH). Lots of Ukrainian use of satellite communications is where people are hiding in a makeshift bunker. Those don't usually travel at 100+ MPH. | |
| ▲ | roosterIllusi0n 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's only one set of satellites. Stop pretending that its different. | | |
| ▲ | flutas 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They actually are separate satellites and it's easily checked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield#Launches | | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This only says that dedicated satellites exist, which is obvious and public knowledge. What it doesn't comment on is whether starlink and starshield use any common ifra, which they almost certainly do. The number of starshield satellites is simply way, way, way too low to meet the claims that people are making about the system. It's a geometry problem. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can you say with assurance, hopefully with evidence, which entity has degraded service as described? > Starlink’s Acceptable Use Policy explicitly prohibits Starlink's AUP is whatever Musk decides it is when he decides. He is petty, and there are robust examples of his pettiness as it relates to X and Starlink (I'm unaware if he's weaponized Tesla vehicle access in this regard, but welcome citations, if they exist). "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law." https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/04/29/musk-more-petty... (if you do not rely on Musk controlled systems, he cannot weaponize them against you; choose your risk exposure accordingly) | | |
| ▲ | scottyah 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes- if they were using it for drone attacks and the service stopped/slowed, that was not Starlink, because it never would have happened in the first place. | | |
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| ▲ | jkestner 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You're telling me appeasement doesn't work? |
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| ▲ | numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or that one wasn't Musk but Starlink sat2sat turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors, and the satellites simply could not provide services without the ground station in the immediate vicinity of terminals. |
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| ▲ | chews 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He get's his bags from the DoD either way... in-fact the chaos undoubtedly is actually more profitable, make hay while the sun is up... we live in a busted reality of broligarchs that are actually DoD welfare queens. They are literally on both sides of the trade so profit is inevitable. When america elect's a clown, we get a whole 3 ring circus. |
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| ▲ | bflesch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It might just be feel-good propaganda to reduce the PR fallout for starlink/musk. "See guys please don't cancel your Starlink orders russia also thinks we are the enemy!" |
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| ▲ | tencentshill 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Scarily enough, money isn't his main motivation. He willingly destroyed tesla sales for politics. | | |
| ▲ | jonas21 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Did he though? Tesla sales have been basically flat for the past few years -- not growing, but certainly not "destroyed" either. They still have over 50% US market share for EVs. And Tesla's stock price (which is what correlates with Musk's wealth) is up 50% since the 2024 election. | |
| ▲ | bflesch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not only about musk but about continued US influence over European defense. If every European defense company moves away from the Starlink platform the US loses a lot of leverage. If they create "plausible deniabiliy" feel-good propaganda like this one, then they can convince some decision makes to keep building defense projects upon the Starlink platform. | |
| ▲ | scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Haha you really just can't win as a builder. Half the people despise him for doing anything for money, and the other half hate him because he cares for politics over money. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You may note that 0/2 halves appreciate his lack of principles and capricious political endeavors. If it was, say, Tim Cook being dissected, people would also criticize his inconsistent political views and support for self-serving deregulation. | |
| ▲ | origini 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think he really cares about politics. He was proper left wing before, switched over to right wing. There were plenty of stories and timelines were he as really lucky regarding his money and his investments. Im pretty sure he did all of this to lobby for himself. Why would he try to change or fix USA Politics for the better of humanity if he stated that earth is over and we need mars. DOGE? His way of fighting burocracy and environmental rules.
Giving money to Trump? Subsidies, advertising, reduction of environmental rules etc. | | |
| ▲ | chews 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | He was left wing cause that sweet tax credit for alternate energy... does anyone remember A123 and the amount the Obama administration put into it. Literally, Solar City and Tesla were to hit the sweet sweeet rebates. You can see the effects by companies like Ford canceling the F150 lighting cause the consumer breaks are gone, he was pillaging California and other Federal rebates to build his businesses, then does SpaceX to suck funds from the DoD to launch NRO sattelites. His affiliations go where the money gun blows. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nah, his daughter coming out as trans drove him over the edge as an egotistical controlling narcissist. He didn't build, the engineers who work(ed) for him did. They deserve the credit, both at Tesla and SpaceX. Those who engineer and build always deserve credit due. But that is not him. | | |
| ▲ | scottyah an hour ago | parent [-] | | Wow that's a wild world view to have. Not sure how it holds up to reality when all the engineers are completely free to do whatever they want, but his companies are massively more successful than any others. Even with the previous World's Richest Man Bezos trying to poach everyone he has and copying/funding pretty much all the same ideas. Dare I ask which multi-trillion dollar companies you've been able to steal? |
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| ▲ | Fricken 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > while Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine in fighting Russia Can you share a link? AFAIK Musk blocked Starlink for Russians, not Ukrainians. |
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| ▲ | ShinyCyril 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/ukraine-accus... | | |
| ▲ | scottyah 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Lots of quotes from Ukrainians about what they are accusing SpaceX of, and even misleading titles "NO WARNING BEFORE STARLINK CUTS", but the actual meat of it is pretty hidden. Starlink never allowed use for offensive drone attacks, Starshield is what they were using, and it is a product fully controlled by the USG. | | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Lots of quotes from Ukrainians about what they are accusing SpaceX of, and even misleading titles "NO WARNING BEFORE STARLINK CUTS" Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. |
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| ▲ | jonathanlb 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://kyivindependent.com/this-cannot-be-a-coincidence-ukr... | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can we narrow down asking for a link to be some sort of legitimate news? These are links to forum posts linking to bluesky posts of "political commentators" that are factually incorrect. Starlink != Starshield. Musk does not own Starshield. SpaceX does not own it. It's like blaming a flight route cancellation on Boeing. | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Poland Grills Musk About New Starlink Restrictions in Ukraine - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-14/poland-gr... - October 14, 2026 Gift link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-14/poland-gr... Paywall Bypass: https://archive.today/NSzQK https://x.com/sikorskiradek/status/2110273651023151330 | https://archive.today/QMMFU > Hey, @elonmusk, big man, are you playing politics with your products again? As your European customers, we are watching you. -- Radosław Sikorski, Wicepremier, Minister Spraw Zagranicznych (2:37 AM · Oct 14, 2026, 1.8M Views) (Radosław Tomasz "Radek" Sikorski is a Polish politician, journalist and statesman who is the longest-serving Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs since 2023, previously holding the office between 2007 and 2014, since 2025 also serving as Deputy Prime Minister) Ukraine's Starlink restrictions raise suspicions of Musk, Trump retaliation - https://www.axios.com/2026/10/14/ukraine-starlink-zelensky-s... - October 14th, 2026 | | |
| ▲ | scottyah an hour ago | parent [-] | | I appreciate the response, but quotes of people spreading known misinformation is not addressing the main concern. These are still just opinions. | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo an hour ago | parent [-] | | Goal posts moving at the speed of light. Axios and Bloomberg are only not legitimate when you’ve already made up your mind. As your comment said: > Can we narrow down asking for a link to be some sort of legitimate news? These are links to forum posts linking to bluesky posts of "political commentators" that are factually incorrect. Please prove this is “known misinformation” with citations. If you cannot, simply say you cannot. |
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| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Out of curiosity, how do you get all these many sources? Did you use a bot, or do you have much free time on your hands and a lot of emotional investment in the argument ? | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some people have a conscience. | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If It's Worth Your Time To Lie, It's Worth My Time To Correct It - https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/if-its-worth-your-time-to-l... - June 11th, 2025 Indeed, lots of free time because I've done well. Condolences to those who haven't yet. When all you've got is time, to be a scholar is divine (imho) if you have the means. Good luck to those who continue to grind for frivolous causes. https://giphy.com/gifs/crazy-johnny-depp-jack-Efi4MpChuhHtm Edit: @jacquesm highest praise, many thanks. | | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >If It's Worth Your Time To Lie, It's Worth My Time To Correct It Where did I lie? >to be a scholar is divine (imho) Being an internet armchair warrior isn't really being a scholar though. Reddit is full of these too. >because I've done well. Condolences to those who haven't yet. Good luck to those who continue to grind for frivolous causes. Wow, how modest and humble too. | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I should’ve been more specific with regards to my citation. You asked for evidence, I provided links as requested. Is it worth my time to? Sure, it takes but a moment. We discuss on a foundation of facts and evidence. Is my time spent doing other activities instead of discussing current events? It’s irrelevant, it’s how I choose to spend my time. I share, I learn, I know. I don’t have strong feelings on the topic, and how others think of me is not important to me (with regards to your comments about how I spend my time). Facts are facts. I hope this context answers your questions. |
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| ▲ | heaney-555 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Musk is limiting StarLink capabilities to Ukraine Incorrect. The US government limited Starshield, the military version of Starlink which it controls. SpaceX has no say. |
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| ▲ | paimapi 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It must be nice to think there is such a clear and high wall between private corporate actors and the US government in 2026. I want to live in that delusion, too. Unfortunately, I retain a minimum amount of skepticism. From the Starshield Wiki page: >While SpaceX president and COO Gwynne Shotwell has indicated that there is little information she is allowed to disclose about Starshield, she has noted "very good collaboration" between the intelligence community and SpaceX on the program. >The retired four-star general Terrence O'Shaughnessy, who previously ran U.S. Northern Command, is the vice president for SpaceX's Special Programs Group who is thought to be involved with Starshield.[1] The Wall Street Journal reported that Starshield's online job postings required people with top-secret clearances, as well as experience working with the Defense Department and intelligence community — such as representing Starshield to Pentagon combatant commands >Col. Eric Felt, director of space architecture at the office of the assistant secretary of the Air Force for space acquisition and integration, said that there are plans to acquire at least 100 Starshield-branded satellites for this purpose by 2029. He said that while the military is an active user of SpaceX's commercial Starlink service, they also want to take advantage of the company's dedicated Starshield product line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield | | |
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| ▲ | salviati 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Some are disabled by Musk, some are disabled by sabotage. No contraddiction. |