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▲ sdcfgy 3 hours ago

DEI didn’t implode. It stopped being a valuable marketing exercise for most companies as it wasn’t trending on social media any more.

▲rurjckci384 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It became a liability - corporates were legally threatened

▲sdcfgy 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This really didn't happen over here in Europe at all. That was mostly a US thing. Here it just faded out as it couldn't be leveraged.

At our place, it did not influence hiring decisions other than having a formal DEI position in the org which was disposed of almost immediately when it was seen as a cost and not a benefit.

▲abcd_f 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Source for _legally_ ?

▲hmry 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

(Legally as in, using the legal system)

DOJ sued Deloitte over DEI programs, they ended up settling for $21.5 million: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/deloitte-pay-215-mi...

Texas Attorney General declared DEI initiatives unconstitutional in a legal opinion: https://www.gibsondunn.com/texas-attorney-general-declares-p...

Several state Attorneys General sent legal threats to 20 major law firms over DEI: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-led-states-deman...

Texas Attorney General warned major banks that DEI programs violate feduciary duty: https://today.westlaw.com/Document/Ibce2fdc5dcec11efb708bbad...

▲Amezarak 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a big difference between suing people for prima facie illegal hiring practices and suing people for holding Grace Hopper celebrations. We probably shouldn't conflate them. Your links, as best as I can tell, are about the former sort of activity - hiring or paying people differently on the basis of protected characteristics.

▲philipallstar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't know about corporates, but Harvard was sued[0] for DEI-esque discrimination.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...

▲peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Harvard lost due to obvious "anti" racist discrimination. It still seems to discriminate against whites and asians and in favour of blacks, but not as heavily as it used to.

Edit: forgot to to write "and asians".

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▲ChocolateGod 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a case going through the courts for Red Hat right now where they based managerial bonuses on how diverse their teams were, which reportedly led to them pushing out white males.

Such should rightfully be illegal.

▲throw830373 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Every statement from company officials such as "we only employ women" or "toxic males", can be used as evidence at court. It is very difficult to prove bias from vague sanitized corporate language, direct "activist" statements make proving such bias very easy. For example recent lawsuit with IBM!

▲bossyTeacher an hour ago | parent [-]

> "we only employ women"

But I highly doubt most companies were saying that or implying it. There's more to DEI than having minority quotas. Would DEI practices such as campaigns to encourage more men to go into nursing, midwifery or teaching be targeted too?

▲ChocolateGod 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

> such as campaigns to encourage more men to go into nursing, midwifery or teaching be targeted too?

These aren't illegal and have never been the problem.

Discriminational hiring practices and quotas are, unfortunately DEI activists decided to do these.

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▲lynx97 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

While cynical, there is a lot of truth to your statement. I wish the activist type would realize that they are actually being used, but it appears there isn't much chance they will ever listen to the old dogs in this game.

▲sdcfgy 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

That is exactly it. A good perspective: the activists were being used.