As a matter of fact non-white, non-male individuals are disadvantaged in many societies. The consequences of improving the equality of opportunities may sometimes feel like disadvantage to groups that received preferential treatment before. The goal needs to be a levelled playing field for everyone, not denying inequality and punishing those who point out and strive to improve those social injustices.

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account42 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Collective punishment or priviledges baced on race or sex is ... racism/sexism, pure and simple. If you want to help disadvantaged people then help those who are disadvantaged. But that's harder and generally requires you to actually show that they are disadvantaged rather than making racist/sexist claims.

	▲	Geezus_42 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Or just help everyone and not worry about means testing. It won't be hard to spot the ones taking more than their fair share.

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lynx97 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Real equality isn't obtainable. What we are doing currently is just moving things around. The classic case of the vocal minority being louder then another minority. This isn't creating honest fairness, it just highlights certain groups to the detriment of others. Since LGBTQ has become louder, disabled people are being more forgotten again. Accessibility is HARD, so, just cater to LGBTQ and your corporate conscience is magically cleared up. Activists HATE this insight, since they are also blind to the needs of even smaller groups. I know what I am talking about, I am disabled, and I am watching the "landscape" since 35 years.

If your knee jerk reaction is to downvote this, I am not surprised, because, you know, that just underlines my point.

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Geezus_42 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's almost like capitalism is inherently unequal.

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lynx97 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is a bit like with democracy. Its the best system we have... Everything we, as humans, do, will eventually be unfair, because, frankly, humans are just not fair. Sure, a select few have high goals, and might even DTRT... But thats always just a small group. The rest of us will try to take advantage of others, some coniscously, some unconsciously. Humankind will only be fair once it has ended.

	▲	Geezus_42 37 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I don't see how you could conclude that capitalism is the best system when it is the only one the west has tried since the end of feudalism. I think there is still plenty of progress to be made and capitalism creates more negative incentives than anything positive.

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georgemcbay 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

This sort of talk will get you downvoted here on HN by the "oppressed".

But as a white male, I agree with you.

DEI "imploded" not because it was unfair, but because a bunch of mediocre baby back bitches can't reckon with the fact that they have always benefited from a ton of privilege.

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InsideOutSanta 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is just my subjective experience, but the only people I've ever seen complain about "DEI" in real life were the most incompetent men I've ever met. These people were clearly aware, on some level, that "DEI" is a threat to them specifically.

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theodric 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We had a physical laborer position in the datacenter (lift and shift) get "flagged for diversity (female)" and sit open and unfilled for a year because we were unable to recruit a woman. THIS is the kind of thing that causes problems: some HR analyst pulled the datacenter team stats, saw there were no women working in the grunt team, and decided to try and change that by force. We had LOTS of women in the datacenter group, majority in analysts and coordination, pretty balanced overall, but just none in the grunts. No thoughts were given to why women didn't and likely wouldn't apply for that role. By god, I tried. The few I got to interview noped out once the job responsibilities were made clear. We eventually closed the position unfilled as part of a scaledown/budget giveback.

I'm sure an argument could be made about how the org should seek equity by restructuring the way the team works to eliminate the need for physical strength and replace it with machines, allowing any operative to do the job, but those arguments never seem to come with a budget attached to buy lifts or powered carts to allow us to change the way things have been done in the computing center for 50+ years. Talk is cheap, companies are cheaper. Furthermore, overcoming societal norms such that a woman would choose to apply for that role over a less physically taxing, traditionally male-coded one is likely to be more difficult even than finding budget for machines.

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Geezus_42 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's just your company's HR being morons. Or more likely, they were doing their best to make sure the position didn't get filled because that would cost money.

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theodric an hour ago | parent [-]

My point was that HR "just being morons" adds fuel to the fire for people pushing anti-diversity narratives. It feels stupid, because it is stupid. It came from a good place (stop shutting women out of jobs) and devolved into the typical corporate "GMD says we have to increase diversity by 10% this year" metric-chasing bureaucratic crapola. It's not even the only similar instance in my career, but I won't be doxxing myself further.

	▲	Geezus_42 35 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, that's a corporate problem, not a DEI problem. I agree it lends credence to the anti-DEI arguments, but that is due to those people's exiting narrow mindedness and all or nothing thinking.

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zombocomvibes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just at the administration and say with a straight face that it's meritocracy in action. Hah.

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oddIdentities 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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account42 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DEI imploded because it's racist and sexist and always was.

	▲	Geezus_42 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Tell me how Hegseth and Patel are remotely qualified for their positions.

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lynx97 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your post would be way less hilarious if you refrained from using words like "bitches" in a post arguing for DEI! Derogatory sexist terms don't really help your cuase.

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actionfromafar 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Clearly a Fox host is the best military super genius.