| ▲ | to11mtm a day ago |
| I can't speak for the UK, but A big thing is that in the last 20-25ish years at least in a US home the big ones for me as far as efficiency improvements are - CRTs got replaced by LCDs, and LCDs even 25 years ago were maybe around half the wattage - CFLs and then LED Light bulbs replacing older filament bulbs. - The switch from desktop PCs that might take 100-200W before even considering the screen, to Laptops that might use 50W on average. With the smaller thought of: - Set-top appliances like rice cookers and air-fryers that tend to be better for smaller everyday cooking than a full-on oven or stovetop. And it's fun to think about, e.x. I remember when I had to move back in 15-ish years ago my parents (very politely!) complained about the power bill increase until I went ahead and did the one-time cost of switching all the bulbs I could to LED. That change alone managed to cover the PC, monitors, and TV I had at the time. Realistically, your average citizen is using less power than they were even 40 years ago, even with all the additional technology they have. |
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| ▲ | leonidasrup 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > - The switch from desktop PCs that might take 100-200W before even considering the screen, to Laptops that might use 50W on average. The total electricity consumption for computers is much higher then in the past.
You just don't see it, because the consumption moved to data centers. |
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| ▲ | wildzzz a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's absolutely amazing that I can light my entire house for the same power draw as like one 100W lightbulb. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker a day ago | parent [-] | | But the bulbs cost 10x what incandescents did, and in practice don't last much longer. That normally isn't included in the calculations. | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Here's a 100W-equivalent bulb: https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/p/solhetta-led-bulb-e27-1521-lume... It costs 6 euro. I'm _fairly_ sure that incandescent 100Ws didn't cost six cents. I bought a few of these (actually a cheaper non-dimmable model which is no longer on Ikea's confusing website, from a cursory search) in 2016, when I moved. They're still working fine. Whereas incandescents failed _all the time_. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I used to buy incandescent bulbs 4 for a dollar shortly before they were banned. Throughout the house, I need to replace a regular screw-in LED bulb probably every other month or so. I don't know what brand they are, they are light bulbs I picked off the shelf at Target or Walmart. Life is too short to worry about light bulb brands. Until now. | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > 4 for a dollar shortly before they were banned. Well, yeah, because they were trying to get rid of them. > Life is too short to worry about light bulb brands Just get the Ikea ones, they're fine. |
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| ▲ | murkle 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A tenth of 6 euros is 60 cents, not 6 :) |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the 90s I’d change bulbs all the time - about once a month. I don’t remember the last time I changed a bulb. I don’t think my teenager has ever had the opportunity to. | |
| ▲ | ekidd a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have a bunch of third generation Philips Hue bulbs, from around 2016. They weren't cheap. But I've had them all this time, and I brought them along when I moved house. Haven't burnt out a single bulb yet. I understand that this has caused some challenges for the Philips Hue division. They had extremely satisfied customers but not many repeat buys. | |
| ▲ | alerighi 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Depending on the quality you can get a LED bulb ranging from 1 euro to 5 for the best one. The incandescent bulbs did not cost much lower, and adjusted for inflation, did cost almost the same, but you had to replace them much more often. |
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| ▲ | alerighi 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To me computers doesn't really have an effect on the data (for how much a computer costs, and how little time in the past it was used, considering the internet was dial-up and was the real cost of using it that made sure you weren't always online). To me the difference is that we moved to more efficient ways to generate heat, more specifically from electric resistive heating to heat pumps. Both in home heating but also appliances (e.g. cloth driers). And of course there is climate change, not only we generate heat more efficiently (an heat pump uses at least 1/3 to the power to generate the same amount of heat) but also the climate is less cold, thus less heat required. That is the big difference, not bulbs or computers. Of course for nations that are more hot in the summer (e.g. my, Italy) the reverse applies, that is more power used because of air conditioning, that 30 years ago nobody had and now it's required since last summer was 25/38C outside for 2 months straight. |
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| ▲ | toyg 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even in Italy, though, peak generation was in 2008. Germany saw a massive drop too. The only big European country that keeps growing their electricity production is France. |
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| ▲ | Beijinger a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Industry got oursourced to China.... |
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| ▲ | adventured a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| In terms of computing efficiency the big gain is that people use their smartphones drastically more than they do a personal computer at home, on average. And smartphones are hyper efficient compared to personal computers or laptops. An average use laptop will use ~30-60 times more energy than a once-daily charged smartphone across a year. That also goes for people watching things on their smartphones instead of a 65" television. |
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| ▲ | to11mtm a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I forgot about the smartphone shift in that comment. Even people who have laptops, the shift to smartphones and tablets for much (maybe most? IDK I'm still a laptop person at minimum when I write this so it's hard to say) of their computing/communication is another order of magnitude change for sure. As another side note/anecdata, I still remember the amazement where the aftermath of a nasty (mostly wind) storm in 2017 caused major outages in my region. I had just moved into an apartment and due to the lagging maintenance around makeready/treetrim it took the better part of a week to get power back. Thankfully however, I had a fully charged, fancy-ish APS Backup unit [0] that was able to keep my Surface Pro 3 and 4G Hotspot charged enough to at least not feel totally in the dark. It was crazy to see how even with both charging the 'time remaining' indicator said I could have used both way more than I even needed to. [0] - Some variant of an APS 1500VA |
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