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▲ holaysuns 3 hours ago

Thats a basic misrepresentation though. And the condescending fear mongering out 'telegraph-esque' does not help.

The quote is:

"Deindustrialization has reduced demand,"

Leaving out 'Deindustrialization' is leaving out most of the story.

That is the gaph of industrial decline.

It's not that the 'dishwashers' are using less electricty so much as dishwashers are no longer designed and made in the UK. That is the story.

Probably less than 20% of that curve is 'green good news' - 80% of it is deindustrialization which is a primary economic malaise.

That deindustrialization is now starting to hit 'core' industry like auto - and a fundamental driver of the far right.

Industrial use of electricy is about where it was in the 1980s because industry ha moved elsewhere, like China.

AfD cannot get enough votes without that curve - Mercedes is closing down while China expands. That's the story.

▲orf 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Probably less than 20% of that curve is 'green good news'

I would call this a basic misrepresentation, but you just pulled that number out of thin air. Or somewhere worse?

50% of the decline is from industry, 50% from residential[1]. During that timeframe, industrial output increased.

1. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/energy-st...

▲red75prime 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

[1] gives different numbers. About 3x decrease in industrial energy consumption since 1970. Steel production decrease is about 3x ([2]). Chemical production has shifted from bulk production to pharmaceuticals.

[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/651422e03d371...

[2] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...

▲orf 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s a different metric - “million tonnes of oil equivalent”. That’s not the same as electricity consumption - that’s the total amount of energy used in all kinds of industrial processes.

▲holaysuns 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The data across the board supports the notion that reduction in electricity is an industrial phenomenon overall, there is no data to suggest this is a 'consumer green activity' phenom - not even the link you provided.

All of think links here, the person you are responding to, mine (above) and your own directly point towards reduction in industrial use.

▲orf 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Rather than post incessantly about the vague “across the board data” and “probably X and Y” you could always cite a source.

Just a thought.

▲holaysuns 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, literally the evidence you provided does not support the 50/50 thesis, moreover, the data does show that residential reduction is a marginal - and you're probably failing to take into consideration the UK has grown by more than 10M people during that period aka this is 'per capita' - not aggregate.

This government data is must more substantial than that link, and it puts the ratio at 70% reduction in electricity due to deindustrialization.

Moreover - the OP's comment was a blatant misrepresentation (lie) - by ignoring deindustrialization, the primary factor as stated in the article (and in reality) - plus a bit of a thrown slander aka the 'Telegaph-esque' nonsense.

This is not Twitter.

This is not even controversial.

[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6aba96e8997a4...

▲orf 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Industrial usage fell about 100k TJ, household fell ~110k TJ since the peak.

The linked numbers are not per-capita, they are absolute.