| ▲ | damsta 7 hours ago |
| > The model launches today at an introductory price of $2 per million input tokens and $10 per million output tokens (with cached input tokens at 95% off). Couldn't you just say what the price will be after the introductory period and when it'll take effect? Do they have some SKILL.md for these blog posts that requires the most important information to always be buried ten levels deep and hidden behind a login page? |
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| ▲ | simonw 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They're doubling the price on December 1st: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing#gemini-4-argon $2/million input and $10/million output today. $4/$20 after December 1st. |
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| ▲ | nateb2022 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | With the pace they're delivering models, there's gonna be 1-2 new Gemini 4 versions by December 1st, presumably with their own introductory price windows. We just got Gemini 3.8 on 2 September and Gemini 3.7 on 13 August. | | |
| ▲ | gcanyon 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This reminds me of telephone commercials that ran back around 1987, saying they were offering long distance calls for 10 cents a minute (a pretty good price back then) and -- this was emphasized, a huge selling point -- they guaranteed your rate would never go up. In retrospect, all the lols :-) | |
| ▲ | vineyardmike 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder if that’s more to price in the cost of keeping old models around on expensive inference hardware. It’s not like old models get cheaper to run, and a more heterogeneous fleet is less efficient to manage. | | | |
| ▲ | squidbeak 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Their last non-flash frontier release was 3.1 Pro back in February. Two new frontier releases at that pace would be Feb 2028. | |
| ▲ | mlmonkey 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | December 1st is just ~6 weeks away. There's no way Google puts out even 1 more Gemini 4 version before then, let alone more than 1. | | |
| ▲ | vikramkr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No they've been releasing models super rapid fire. Other companies too. 6.1 sol was barely a week after 6.0 sol | |
| ▲ | mufufu 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don’t underestimate the power of exponential growth |
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| ▲ | heaney-555 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're conflating Gemini Flash with Gemini Pro. |
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| ▲ | damsta 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Opus 5.5 is also priced at $4/$20, but are they on the same level? | | |
| ▲ | fancyfredbot 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | At that price I think you'd pick Opus 5.5. It's perhaps a face saving thing to pretend you'll charge the same. Let's see if it actually happens. |
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| ▲ | logicchains 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >$4/$20 Is Elon Musk doing their pricing? | | |
| ▲ | square_usual 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is the standard pricing for Opus-class models these days. | | |
| ▲ | eptcyka 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Blaze it, Robot! | |
| ▲ | LeBit 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 4/20. It is to Musk what 67 is to children. | | |
| ▲ | harambae 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think it's more 420 or 4:20 (marijuana reference) than 4/20 (Hitler's birthday). Although given it's Musk, others may disagree. |
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| ▲ | ac29 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | GLM 5.3 is roughly Opus class and is much, much cheaper | | |
| ▲ | wasfgwp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s more expensive than 6.1-sol though? At least according to benchmarks. I think at this point comparing raw token pricing is often apples to oranges. | |
| ▲ | vikramkr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Opus 5 class yes, but opus 5.5 is functionally mythos tier | |
| ▲ | simonw 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Opus 5.5 class? | | |
| ▲ | girvo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, and anyone who says otherwise is being silly. It’s still damned capable though, I’ve done a crazy amount of good work with 5.3 Flash. |
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| ▲ | WhereIsTheTruth 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no such thing as "standard pricing" for products with different performance profiles, architectures, inference costs and infrastructure stack It is price fixing, nothing else |
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| ▲ | mrandish 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Couldn't you just say what the price will be after the introductory period +1. FWIW, I didn't even get far enough to wonder about the price. The lead (and only) sentence states "Our next era of frontier intelligence, built to solve your hardest problems" a statement equally true of any new Google or competitor model, hence completely devoid of useful meaning. I then kept scrolling down... and down... and down, giving up after a half dozen screens of big images, huge videos and some customer stories. The first sentence of every text block was equally vague or meaningless so... tv;dr (Too vague, didn't read). Even the Gemini sub-reddit is laughing: https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1x2dr47/the_lates... |
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| ▲ | apatheticonion 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Me, watching the AI world from the sidelines while using DeepSeek at $0.15($0.003 cached)/$0.60 - still bitter about the pricing changes. It might not be as smart, though my employer gives me access to Claude, so I tried giving the same task to Opus 5.5. Both DS4.1 Flash and Opus5.5 produced nearly identical outputs. After that, my company switched the entire engineering department to Azure hosted DeepSeek4.1 and costs were cut by 3/4. So far, no one has really noticed the change. |
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| ▲ | nananana9 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's irrelevant information, they know the reader switches models every week. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | They don’t really. Most normies which are the vast majority of people just use ChatGPT. All tech folk just use Claude. | | |
| ▲ | brainwad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Normies aren't the target market for Argon anyway. The Gemini app is still serving 3.6 Flash and 3.1 Pro. | |
| ▲ | stymaar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > They don’t really. Most normies which are the vast majority of people just use ChatGPT. All tech folk just use Claude. It was the case a year ago, but it's less clear cut nowadays, I've seen non-tech people using claude on their phone in the train, and many tech people seem to have switched from Claude Code + Opus to Codex + Sol over the past few month. | |
| ▲ | vikramkr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Normies are not the target for a frontier model | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | they are target with 6 month lag. Say, if current Gemini will be demonstrating obviously superior perf compared to Opus, many normies devs will switch within 6 months. |
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| ▲ | staticman2 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sometimes it seems like ChatGPT and Claude are releasing models every week. | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, then I guess the GP was technically right it’s just people aren’t jumping providers constantly is what I was trying to get across. |
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| ▲ | jklinger410 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Obfuscating token cost is the new great marketing frontier |
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| ▲ | mattmaroon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They do, just not in that sentence. You must really hate sales ads. |
