| ▲ | hn_submit 5 hours ago |
| I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon. It's a bare-bones car from the 1930's which didn't get produced until the late 40's due to the war. By the time production ramped up it was hopelessly outdated. The only thing positive that can be said about the modern iteration is its $15K price. But for that money you're not getting a real car but a city roundabout with very limited range and speed. The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot. It's positive that European carmakers are finally catering to the wallets of their customers. No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf). |
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| ▲ | Lio 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon. It's because the design was simple and cheap but effective. It's a distinctive, original design that was bought by everyone from farmers to the aristocracy. Take the badge off that BYD and you would struggle to tell it apart from any other soulless boring car. In 5 years time BYD will have changed the design with nothing retained and still nothing distinctive about it. This new 2CV on the other hand is very distinctive to the point where some will love it and some will hate it. It's a good cheap, small car that will be easy to drive in cities. It's also "classless" car in the best sense. Some people will want it regardless of how much money they have. It's the opposite of "try hard". You'd only buy a Seagull because you can't afford something better (from BYD or anyone else). > No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf). Actually the electric Golf (Rabbit) already exists, it's called an ID.3. It's about the 5th best selling electric car in Europe so it's, apparently, exactly what a lot of people want. |
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| ▲ | hn_submit 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's because all car manufacturers make good looking cars these days. The few good looking cars that existed before the 1980's were therefore immediately lauded as styling icons. Even the Chinese designs are acceptable to good, mostly because they hire design expertise from Europe and North America. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's really only one shape of car body that has optimal performance in a wind tunnel. That's why all cars look alike today. | | |
| ▲ | usrnm an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh, so that's why I cannot see any difference between a Mini and Ford F150? |
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| ▲ | robotmay 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think a lot of the popular classics are often because they were unique, not necessarily beautiful, and often the most popular tend to be some of the most ubiquitous models that were designed for the everyman, e.g. the 2CV, VW Beetle, VW Camper etc. I suspect they become stylish by association with the periods in which they were popular and the people who owned them, rather than because their own styling is great. I always thought the Citroen vans of the era were very cool, I'd love to see a modern van design based on the H, for example. |
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| ▲ | RugnirViking 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | this is absolutely it. the only recipe to make a car that becomes iconic is make it different/recognisable then sell a lot of it, for cheap (really cheap. No, cheaper. Cheaper than that) to students/artists. nostalgia will do the rest | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | These days cars are more reliable and so students/artists are much more likely to buy a used car. In the 1970s getting 100,000 miles on a car gave you bragging rights - you would invite your friends to see it turn over, driving away in a cloud of blue smoke (engine oil burns blue), and carefully avoid puddles since they would splash water through the holes in the floor. These days cars go a lot longer before they fail and so people with limited money buy used cars. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | People with enough money to afford new also buy used cars. Why take the depreciation hit when someone else can do it, and you can still get 10+ years out of the car. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just because you could afford new doesn't mean you will of course. |
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| ▲ | pasc1878 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are iconic expensive cars e.g. Jaguar E-type, Aston Martin DB5 and very expensive e.g. Rolls Royce Shadow. |
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| ▲ | beefandcheese 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you might like the morris JE vans - based on the old Morris J vans from the 40's https://morris-commercial.com/ |
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| ▲ | ekr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's no new electric car for less than €17800, in the Netherlands at least. The BYD's start at around €20k. Only the Dacia Spring and the Leapmotor T03 are available under that price point. So if something was to be available for €15k and if it's highway capable, I'm sure it will sell decently well. |
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| ▲ | hn_submit 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The BYD Seagull (a.k.a. Dolphin Surf) retails for €10K in Spain. The price difference elsewhere is most likely due to taxes and/or import duties. | | |
| ▲ | ekr 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just checked and that includes a government subsidy called Auto Plan+ which is close to 5k EUR. Adding to the actual price of 12.900 EUR for the car, it's still a comparable price point to the rest of Europe. |
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| ▲ | weinzierl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon." Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS. The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling, despite being a popular car there. |
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| ▲ | mpol 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The same in Dutch with "Lelijke Eend". I do assume it is now more of a style icon, where you only drive it on sunny Sundays, or daily if you want to be counter-culture. | |
| ▲ | spankibalt 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS. Yes, style icon. That is a well established matter of record. > The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling [...]. Utter rubbish! The Germans, I happen to be one of 'em, call(ed) the 2CV just Ente. That translates to duck. | | |
| ▲ | Toutouxc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have to agree, in Czech the car is referred to as the “kachna” (duck). No negative connotations and no obvious connection to the ugly duckling story (“ošklivé káčátko” in Czech). | | | |
| ▲ | weinzierl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I lived at the time and Ente always had the subtext of Hässliche Ente (Ugly Duckling). No one at the time thought it was a beautiful car. Practical, yes, cheap too. It had its lovers but there was never any doubt about its aesthetic qualities. | | |
| ▲ | spankibalt 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > No one at the time thought it was a beautiful car. Maybe in your small bubble. The 2CV was, and is, as much of a style icon as the Käfer (Beetle), the Topolino, the R4, the Mini, the Cinquecento and other greats of its time. As a matter fact, it's undoubtedly one of the titans amongst outstanding examples of automobile design and culture. Where the heck have you lived?! | | |
| ▲ | weinzierl 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you missed the subtext that comes with the duckling designation and maybe took some self-irony of 2CV drivers for real. The 2CV was designed from the start as one of the cheapest cars possible. Ultra cheap things are rarely considered "style icons" during their heyday. The Dutch Wikipedia article explicitly calls it Lelijke Eend and the German one has some references to "das hässliche Entlein" and how Citroën tried to sway people to a more favorable nickname. There is also a book with it in the title. Again you may be thinking of the DS, which was Citroën's flagship model and its fender skirts were the ultimate expression of cool. | | |
| ▲ | spankibalt 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I think you missed the subtext that comes with the duckling designation and maybe took some self-irony of 2CV drivers for real. I have never, ever in my slightly more than forty years on this rock heard Germans refer to the 2CV as "hässliches Entlein", let alone their 2CVs, and especially not in colloquial conversion. It was always just Ente. Same goes for printed materials, e. g. magazines, books, etc. As a matter of fact, I believe it's the opposite of what you imagined: The "ugly duckling" designation was used from time to time either by ignoramuses (e. g. in older magazine headlines), or, in an ironic fashion, by some of the machine's owners. > Again you may be thinking of the DS, which was Citroën's flagship model and its fender skirts were the ultimate expression of cool. No, I'm talking about the 2CV. At this point I should mention that I'm East German. Citroën cars, compared to other Western makers, were relatively common where I grew up during the 80s. The most common one before the Wende? That's right, the DS! > The 2CV was designed from the start as one of the cheapest cars possible. Utilitarian/economical design and style were and are not mutually exclusive. |
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| ▲ | Mashimo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot. I think the Seagull cost ~20 000 to 22 000 EUR in a lot of European countries. Who knows what the Citroen 2CV will cost in china. |
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| ▲ | KaiserPro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What I would like is a small EV (whats small now was family hatchback 15 years ago) A lot of EVs are fucking huge, the renault 5/zoe for me is the sweet spot. I like the 2cv, I really hope it has the pneumatic suspension, or atleast the soft suspension of its predecessor |
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| ▲ | pjc50 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Citroen have always been distinctive "love it or hate it" about their looks, but in this case they've seen what Renault are doing (selling 5's as fast as they can make them) and decided to get in on the action by doing a similar retro reference. > No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf). https://cleantechnica.com/2026/10/03/europe-ev-sales-report-... The ID4 is about Golf-sized, costs about 45kE, and is sitting at #6 on the EV sales chart. (see also: Renault Twingo, Dacia (Renault Romanian subsidiary) Spring) |
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| ▲ | close04 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The ID4 is about Golf-sized The ID.3 is almost a perfect match for the Golf in exterior size (within a couple of cm in length). The ID.4 is substantially larger, most obvious being 30cm longer. At least in Europe the ID.4 is considered an SUV. |
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| ▲ | alexaholic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf). I don't know if anyone's clamouring, but ysk there exists a $50K PHEV Golf |
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| ▲ | fstephany 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The proposed M1E car category in the EU (more or less the european equivalent to the japanese kei cars) might boost this segment of smaller, cheaper cars. |
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| ▲ | Arodex 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon Round curves and lights looking like eyes, with proportions close to a human face. The same design cues that made the VW Beetle and the Mazda Miata (1st gen) popular cars. And "barebones" can be a quality. Citroen did tons of overcomplicated cars too, and for all the love I have towards the DS, the CX, the SM etc., they all suffered and keep suffering of reliability problems that killed them commercially and to keep them running nowadays. |