| ▲ | thih9 6 hours ago |
| Could you elaborate? What does this mean? Edit: thanks for answers, this helps. |
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| ▲ | khalera 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I am a top Russian CS degree alumna (HSE). I left Russia even before the war, but now most of my uni peers live and work abroad (US, EU, UK, Serbia, Armenia, Georgia, etc.). It is similar for the alumni of the other top universities there. And we made the right choice, both ethically and financially/career-wise, imo. |
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| ▲ | _nalply 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There were several waves of Russians fleeing [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_during_the_... (This is incomplete, I think there is a fourth or a fifth wave, probably since about summer 2026.) |
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| ▲ | fartfeatures 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It means you shouldn't invade your neighbours and conscript your young people or you will ruin your economy. |
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| ▲ | TitaRusell 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair the nerds aren't sent to the front lines they get to work in a drone unit. This war won't be over until the Russian army starts conscription in Moscow. The Czar will happily empty out the villages in Siberia and the Caucasus. | | |
| ▲ | siva7 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They may or may not. I wouldn't like to take on this bet. | |
| ▲ | _menelaus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most young people with a conscience (which is most people that like to read) leave to avoid conscription in an unjust war. | |
| ▲ | badpun 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Drone units require good eyesight, reflexes, spatial orientation etc. FPS gamers are the best match, not coders. |
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| ▲ | verelo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I hope the MAGA folk threatening Canada take note. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The plan for Canada is clearly to buy enough Quislings to force a secession vote. | |
| ▲ | gsky 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They invaded the whole world already. I hope Canda be prepared for the worst | |
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| ▲ | rididjdj374 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | just neighbours? | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > just neighbours? Within the narrow scope of this
discussion, yes. Ukraine would have a harder time hitting data centers around Moscow if they didn’t share a land border. | |
| ▲ | pixelpoet 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just neighbours, otherwise people might draw awkward comparisons to certain other warmongering nations. | | |
| ▲ | watwut 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But then again, American soldiers are not dying in that war the way Russian do. That would be different in war against neighbhood nation where you cant hide purely behind technology. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > awkward comparisons to certain other warmongering nations What Russia is doing in Ukraine is closer to America in Vietnam or Israel in Gaza than anything even Trump has done recently. And I doubt you’ll find many on this forum defending even the latter. | | |
| ▲ | Muromec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Casualty count for entire Vietnam campaign for US is like two weeks at the current burndown rate for r-sia | | | |
| ▲ | robbiep 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s reasonably close to the economic murder/suicide the US has caused with its rubbish crack at Iran | | |
| ▲ | saidnooneever 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | dont forget afghanistan, Iran Libya, Syria, etc etc. -_- none of these countries is doing well after their "liberation" or after their 'terrorists got bombed' or whatever wording (killed like dogs?) the current leader will have for it. | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > dont forget afghanistan, Iran Libya, Syria Out of these four, at least Syria is better off. Everything, literally everything is better than what the Assad regime was. The gruesomeness of Assad and his regime is on a level not seen since 1945. Afghanistan was an utter failure of all of Western societies. Yes, we provided a generation worth of women with access to schools. But we never provided a way for Afghanistan as a country to stand on its own feet, instead we looked away while one half of the military didn't exist on paper and the other half raped children for funsies (look up "bacha bazi"). Libya... now that is mostly upon us Europeans. Ghaddafi, I'm glad this prick is gone, but again we didn't do anything to meaningfully help Libya grow, and by the time Putin began supporting oppositional warlords, the game was lost. And Iran... oh dear god what a mess, dating back to the history of the US using Kurds for their aims and then letting them to die without support. This entire shitshow was a disaster from start to finish, even if the idea was noble - the Mullahs slaughtered tens of thousands of protestors the start of this year, it would have been incredibly unethical to just stand aside again. | | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > even if the idea was noble The idea of nobly saving people is just “think of the children” on the nation-state level. It sounds great but gets used for every politician’s own ends. |
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| ▲ | wereHamster 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan not too long ago (both countries just to the south of Russia, for those not savvy of geography). Met plenty of young russians who moved there recently. I didn't have to ask why. Many of them used to work in the tech sector, it's easy for them to find new work. |
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| ▲ | TrickyRick 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That anyone with a few brain cells and enough rubels has left the country |
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| ▲ | IsTom 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of people who could get out of Russia after the war started, did get out. |
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| ▲ | crazybonkersai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Majority has come back though after realization that the West does not really welcome Russians with open arms. | | | |
| ▲ | lifestyleguru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sadly, this applies also to Ukraine. No one in their right mind will risk their limbs for clique of oligarchs and mini-oligarchs. Coincidentally children of oligarchs and mini-oligarchs left both countries as well. They basically wiped out their male millenial generation entirely, as this demographics had it the most difficult to leave these countries. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > this applies also to Ukraine It certainly does not. There is a huge and growing [1] (albeit still below ‘22 peak) tech outsourcing industry there. Plus, likely Europe’s most advanced defense-industrial base for drones and, increasingly, missiles of all kinds. Being on the right side of a war works wonders for morale. [1] https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/gradual-market-stabilization-wh... | | | |
| ▲ | walterlw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I work for a Ukrainian product firm and interviewed around 50 people in the last quarter for in-office work. Some of them are migrants discouraged by european salaries where an entry-level IT professional can make as much as a waiter. | |
| ▲ | Muromec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can't really leave Ukraine (legally*) right now if you are in the conscriptable demographics (M 18-60), unless you have good reasons. | | |
| ▲ | bpavuk 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | oh you can if you are younger than 23 and not in education. this exception initially started as "academic mobility" program - you had to somehow prove your intent to study before going abroad, I don't remember how - but then both govt and citizens realized that it's too much paperwork and impossible to organize properly, so the exception was generalized. yeah, hating papers is our national trait at this point, given Diia and stuff XD | |
| ▲ | carstenhag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why would "right now" matter if the war has been ongoing for 4.5 years? I live in Germany, many ukrainians moved here, had several coworkers and their families move. | |
| ▲ | lifestyleguru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just after they gave nepo babies below age 26 enough time to leave the country. | | |
| ▲ | simondotau 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Having spoiled nepo babies on the front lines might be good in principle but probably more trouble than it’s worth in practice. | | |
| ▲ | lifestyleguru an hour ago | parent [-] | | This war should be fought on all sides between oligarchs and their nepo babies exclusively. | | |
| ▲ | simondotau an hour ago | parent [-] | | If we’re imagining what should happen, maybe imagine no war at all. Until then, practical reality matters more than class resentment, however justified. |
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| ▲ | paaloeye 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ones who didn't are asking stupid questions... |
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| ▲ | lifestyleguru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Cyprus, Georgia, UAE |
