A lot of people who could get out of Russia after the war started, did get out.

crazybonkersai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Majority has come back though after realization that the West does not really welcome Russians with open arms.

	▲	fn-mote 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Wtf… definitely not. Russian shill account exposed.

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lifestyleguru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sadly, this applies also to Ukraine. No one in their right mind will risk their limbs for clique of oligarchs and mini-oligarchs. Coincidentally children of oligarchs and mini-oligarchs left both countries as well. They basically wiped out their male millenial generation entirely, as this demographics had it the most difficult to leave these countries.

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JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> this applies also to Ukraine

It certainly does not. There is a huge and growing [1] (albeit still below ‘22 peak) tech outsourcing industry there.

Plus, likely Europe’s most advanced defense-industrial base for drones and, increasingly, missiles of all kinds. Being on the right side of a war works wonders for morale.

[1] https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/gradual-market-stabilization-wh...

	▲	air3y 32 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> It certainly does not. Ukraine's estimated population in 2022 was around 40 million. Various numbers provided by UN officials to Ukrainian govt officials have at various times put Ukrainian population (in govt controlled areas) at 35 million [1], 32 million [2], 22-25 million [3]. This with adult men being actively blocked from leaving Ukraine. [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-ukrainian-po... [2] https://kyivindependent.com/200-000-500-000-men-could-leave-... [3] https://www.novinite.com/articles/238511/The+Uncomfortable+T...

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walterlw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I work for a Ukrainian product firm and interviewed around 50 people in the last quarter for in-office work. Some of them are migrants discouraged by european salaries where an entry-level IT professional can make as much as a waiter.

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Muromec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can't really leave Ukraine (legally*) right now if you are in the conscriptable demographics (M 18-60), unless you have good reasons.

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bpavuk 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

oh you can if you are younger than 23 and not in education. this exception initially started as "academic mobility" program - you had to somehow prove your intent to study before going abroad, I don't remember how - but then both govt and citizens realized that it's too much paperwork and impossible to organize properly, so the exception was generalized.

yeah, hating papers is our national trait at this point, given Diia and stuff XD

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carstenhag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would "right now" matter if the war has been ongoing for 4.5 years? I live in Germany, many ukrainians moved here, had several coworkers and their families move.

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lifestyleguru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just after they gave nepo babies below age 26 enough time to leave the country.

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simondotau 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Having spoiled nepo babies on the front lines might be good in principle but probably more trouble than it’s worth in practice.

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lifestyleguru an hour ago | parent [-]

This war should be fought on all sides between oligarchs and their nepo babies exclusively.

	▲	simondotau an hour ago \| parent [-]
		If we’re imagining what should happen, maybe imagine no war at all. Until then, practical reality matters more than class resentment, however justified.

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