You’re in a bubble. Windows is still huge, especially in middling companies that dictate it and standard HP/Dell/Lenovo hardware for all 3k staff.

It’s insanely common.

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orf 6 hours ago | parent [-]

His point isn’t that it’s common, it’s that a unix-like environment is a key selling point.

Given that Windows made WSL in an attempt to capture developer mindshare, that tends to support his comment

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9dev 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You still end up in uncanny valley often enough, with commands that are missing, or working unexpectedly differently. It often feels like macOS could be made so much better for developers, but Apple just doesn't care because people buy their devices anyway.

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spacedcowboy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not that. It’s that their lawyers won’t let the engineering side distribute gnu tools. Period.

At Apple, if you even use GPL tools in your workflow you have to seek approval, and most often there’s pushback of “why won’t this (alternative that isn’t GPL) work ?”

Their lawyers aren’t stupid, they understand the GPL and its limits, but they’re simply doing a risk assessment- which one is less risky, the GPL variant or the BSD. For a corporation, that’s generally BSD.

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pjmlp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem is that being a developer is not a synonymous with UNIX.

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jeremyjh 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In deeply saddens me to think that there is a developer who has not installed gnutils and put them earlier in the PATH.

The remaining differences are related more to systems stuff - managing daemons with launchd for example. These aren't really a distraction day-to-day.

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jonhohle 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It really is that simple. No different from a BSD or even a non-GNU (busybox, etc.) Linux distribution. If you like GNU tools, use them.

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9dev 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s a computer. I can make a computer go beep if I want, that is not the issue.

The fact that someone who didn’t grow up at the time when open source was an idealistic concept instead of free support to corporations needs to learn about the gnutils and how to install them with homebrew is what makes me sad.

Why do we seriously not have a command-line package manager on macOS yet? Windows has one by now. It’s just sad to me that you need a manual checklist of post-setup steps to turn a Mac into a useful machine for software development.

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jeremyjh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think you have to grow up in some idyllic era that never existed. Its more like you type 'ls', notice that its total crap, and google it.

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9dev an hour ago | parent [-]

The point I was making was that knowing what GNU means in the first place probably requires some cultural background that many people lack, especially younger ones.

	▲	jeremyjh an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Right, and the point I'm making is that you can learn this from Google once you notice there is a difference from how common commands work on Linux and MacOS. You don't need to know about GNU, you just have to wonder why its different.