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▲ MC995 5 hours ago

> It's a shame that refusing to consort with fascists is conflated with "being political".

It's because they are a political party, and he was donating to it. There's no better definition of being punished for a political opinion than being punished to donating to a legitimate party.

And their not "fascists", it's a Swedish nationalist party. Naming everything you don't like as "fascist" is a quick way to have your opinion dismissed as crazy.

▲firefax 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> There's no better definition of being punished for a political opinion than being punished to donating to a legitimate party.

Maybe being punished for some political opinions isn't a bad thing, if your political opinion is "some people don't deserve human rights" :-)

▲wyager an hour ago | parent [-]

Is it a human right to live in Sweden?

▲deadbunny 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is he being "punished"?

▲lejalv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not giving my money so that it flows to an antiimmigrant party, having myself been an immigrant, is rather different from punishing.

Only rich tech bros have this absurd situation where they are "punished" by a political opinion, because only they can meaningfully sway "one person, one vote" with their money.

Are we talking about the political opinion of toilet cleaners who don't have the money to donate, or the energy, or the podcasts to express it? No. That's not an opinion that can be punished, it's just a non-event for many here.

So let me not shed a tear for the political opinions of the Mullvad boss.

▲BAM-DevCrew 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Swedish party in question seems to hold a position on immigrants that is fascist due to their hostility towards immigrants. While holding a fascist opinion is allowed free speech in a democratic society. Speech that incites violence or hatred is not - generally. And TOR as well as most other civil and decent human beings have every right and perhaps obligation to opine that fascists suck and can f-off.

▲iamnothere 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are not fascists, they are somewhere between “right-socialists” and left-populists, seemingly very close to Titoism. There is a substantial difference. Fascism calls for fusion of corporations and state and I haven’t seen that from them. They have called for socialization of energy, but that’s common among many left parties.

I am sick to death of the overapplication of the word “fascism”. It doesn’t mean “bad thing”. Distinct words are needed for distinct concepts, otherwise all political discourse ends up like here in America where you have “liberals” who are not actually liberal and “conservatives” who don’t want to conserve anything.

Edit: edited to reflect that they are probably a lot closer to Tito than Hoxha or Juche, after thinking about it.

▲firefax an hour ago | parent [-]

>I am sick to death of the overapplication of the word “fascism”. It doesn’t mean “bad thing”.

So you admit they are a "bad thing", but you are annoyed I used the wrong word?

▲mjburgess an hour ago | parent [-]

The annoyance is that your personal judgement of "bad" is being wrapped up in emotional escalating language which equivocates, "I dont like this policy on immigration" with the history of genocide and total war in europe.

▲StanislavPetrov 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The Swedish party in question seems to hold a position on immigrants that is fascist due to their hostility towards immigrants.

Advocating for controlling borders and opposing immigration is a legitimate political position, whether you agree with it or not. Those who describe everything they disagree with as 'fascism' are not credible people.

▲lejalv an hour ago | parent [-]

You're transforming "remigration" into "controlling borders" and "opposing immigration".

But I agree the F word frequently doesn't advance political discussion.

▲bsoqk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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