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TeMPOraL 2 hours ago

> walk in

> see this title

> think authors are reversing causation hard

-- signed, a deep Night Owl

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alterom 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed.

The following (informally described) symptoms are well-known consequences of ADHD:

- Delayed Sleep Phase [1]

- Staying Up Late [2]

- Revenge Bedtime Procrastination [3]

Newsflash, getting a full night's sleep helps alleviate ADHD symptoms, while being perpetually sleep-deprived wrecks us.

But there are reasons why we stay up late. Simply forcing us to sleep doesn't address those reasons.

Which is why I wrote about it so much, and keep spamming these links even though it feels so darn obvious. Not to the authors of the study, it appears.

[1] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Delayed%20Sleep%20Phase

[2] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Staying%20Up%20Late

[3] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Revenge%20Bedtime

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parpfish 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

going to bed early feels like i'm a child being punished.

staying up late rocks. its the funnest. why would i give that up? just to pay attention better at work? no thanks.

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autoexec 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A delayed sleep/wake cycle is only relevant in the context of a society where people are forced on an unnatural sleep schedule. You could get a full 9 hours of high quality sleep every single night and still be considered to have a delayed sleep/wake cycle disorder.

Some people are just night owls. A large percentage of night owls have ADHD. I think they can linked without it meaning that people with ADHD have to learn to get up at 5AM

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CoastalCoder an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> staying up late rocks. its the funnest. why would i give that up? just to pay attention better at work? no thanks.

You may eventually find yourself in a situation where the tradeoff is worth it.

E.g., you have a family to feed, and your ability hold a well-paying job hinges on your performance.

	▲	theshackleford an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> E.g., you have a family to feed, and your ability hold a well-paying job hinges on your performance. I can do all of these things anyway. Of course, this does present the potential reality that were I able to sleep like people, I could be even more successful, but after a near death experience, then disability, I've learned to be happy with where I am.
	▲	alterom an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		There's only one little problem with that reasoning, my friend... sigh ADHD PEOPLE ARE NOT MOTIVATED BY REWARD[1] We literally can't do the things we want and need to do [2]. We know full well the trade-off is worth it. It's just that we can't have it. Sincerely, --an AuDHDer [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3010326/ [2] https://add.org/demand-avoidance/

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casualscience an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's hard to interface with society this way. I'm the same as you and have waxed and waned many times. There are periods where I'm all about being social and living a normal life. There are other times where I'm just down to only sleep when I'm dead tired (as opposed to using drugs to keep me in normal rhythm). There are tradeoffs

	▲	alterom an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Consistent inconsistency is the part of the ADHD package. It's not that there aren't tradeoffs, it's that we don't get to choose these tradeoffs (as in: the cost of choosing is huge and nonzero).

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hatthew 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lots of the things on this site are normal things that everyone experiences to some degree ...right?

	▲	alterom an hour ago \| parent [-]
		>Lots of the things on this site are normal things that everyone experiences to some degree ...right? Everyone may experience some of those things some of the time, particularly if they are overwhelmed, overworked, overstressed, etc. ADHD is experiencing most of these most of the time - as in all the time - for your entire life. As an analogy: everyone may experience toe pain sometimes if and when they stub their toe on kitchen table leg. But if it hurts like that all the time, for your entire life - you'd get it checked out, right? There are solid chances something is different about your body. Now multiply that by 100. To reword this: say, each relatable entry on that page is a 2% likelihood of ADHD. If you relate to 100 of them, the chances you're not ADHD drop to 13%. I've got enough people through an official diagnosis this way that this page, in itself, is a decent enough diagnostic tool.