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| ▲ | whimsicalism a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| Just an FYI, in circles similar to HN, people will respond very negatively to anyone suggesting anything that might hint at tightening amphetamine prescriptions. |
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| ▲ | gregoryl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Roughly, zero. Stimulants are not a fun dependency, come with a bucket list of side effects and downsides, and only mitigate one aspect of ADHD. |
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| ▲ | gchamonlive an hour ago | parent [-] | | ADHD treats with Lisdexamfetamine. Amfetamines, I repeat. People use this to study, to get high at parties, to be functional at work, so I really doubt there aren't patients out there abusing these drugs with valid prescriptions. | | |
| ▲ | jplusequalt an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, some people will abuse their prescriptions. But the majority will not. Treating ADHD through stimulants usually has fantastic outcomes for patients. | | |
| ▲ | gchamonlive an hour ago | parent [-] | | So it isn't roughly zero, and this minority is what's being discussed here. | | |
| ▲ | jplusequalt 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No, but if you're trying to argue that sleep therapy would be more effective for this group than non-stimulant form of medication, you need to prove this. Sleepy therapy (CBT-I) may be the best supported treatment for insomnia, but it's still quite shit. ~50% of people will see little to no improvement after going through therapy. |
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| ▲ | ctolsen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ADHD is highly treatable with medication, and any other intervention is at best mild mitigation. So how many? Amongst people with ADHD, basically nobody. Sun and proper sleep is certainly helpful for people with ADHD but the likelihood of them getting that is vastly increased if they’re medicated correctly. |
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| ▲ | btilly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That is doubly important given that one of the effects of the medications, is to disrupt sleep. |
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| ▲ | jplusequalt an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Any psychiatrist worth a damn already considers these things. "ADHD" symptoms can manifest for a variety of reasons, and that's why good ADHD testing involves multiple exams alongside the traditional ADHD ones to help figure out what actual issues are present. Also, comorbidities make this all the more complicated. Your assertion that people need "more sun" and "regular sleep" could very well be true, yet someone can still have ADHD. |
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| ▲ | gchamonlive an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Any psychiatrist worth a damn already considers these things. Protocols however are always changing depending on new findings. Not saying this is the case, but not considering something unknown at the time doesn't make a doctor not worth a damn. > Your assertion that people need "more sun" and "regular sleep" could very well be true, yet someone can still have ADHD. if that was the case the treatment wouldn't be unecessary, like I specifically wrote in the comment you are replying to. |
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