because it doesn't work very well?

if you have a legitimate coding application, it isn't very good. if you have some kind of inauthentic activity, which could be what it is trained for for all sorts of reasons...

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computerex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What is your evidence? Deepseek v4.1 Flash is by far the most popular coding model on openrouter, having processed 38.7T tokens in just the last 7 days, over 3x the usage of the 2nd rank model.

So I ask again, what are you basing your assertion on?

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doctorpangloss an hour ago | parent [-]

my own usage of deekseep v4.1 flash, and that among the dozens of great programmers i know, not a single person is using it

BUT. they are employed to do / deciding-to-do authentic (if often meaningless) stuff.

here's a short list of inauthentic activity that claude and openai refuse to do:

- chat services that, when you ask them, say they are not chatbots when they are

- code to work around software licenses or DRM

- code to scrape or download copyrighted material

- directly cheating on homework

- adopting a persona in social media that spreads misinformation or propaganda

this is but a short list. but ask me, "are there enough inauthentic activity demands such that someone who CANNOT USE claude or gpt as the LLM would use dsv4.1 on openrouter instead?" yes. i mean there are whole countries right now where the culture can be summarized as, "bottom to top, inauthentic activity." i am surprised it is not more usage!

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computerex 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

So your argument is that the 38T of tokens used in the last 7 days is by moron programmers or people doing "inauthentic" tasks? You think the person who made this post is also an idiot?

Do you realize how incredibly delusional/self-centered you sound?

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doctorpangloss 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

do YOU know anyone gainfully employed in programming who is using dsv4.1 to do work? what kind of work is it? why don't you ask them if it is good?

in the market, where you cannot fake or hide stuff very easily: the outsource customer services and cheating sectors have been the most disrupted. Cheating company Chegg lost 99% of its market value. CS it remains to be seen - https://www.reuters.com/technology/teleperformance-shares-pl... - certainly perceived to be disrupted, but they are not dead yet.

in my personal usage: dsv4 is generally pretty buggy. for example, if you give it a needle-in-the-haystack simple copying problem, it catastrophically fails to find needles if they happen to be positioned at index 250k tokens out of 1m. it can also be triggered to spew all sorts of garbage when DSpark is enabled during ordinary long-context coding, such as spewing weird DSML tool call errors after a normally parsed tool call error.

i don't know why you have to attack me personally, i think you're a bright and otherwise nice person and you understand the thrust of my POV.

	▲	pimeys 20 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes. Hi. From our team 3/5 of us use 4.1 to do our daily tasks. For paid work for a company who pays us salary. From people around me I hear a lot of my friends being really happy with it especially for the price. I don't know man, maybe this is not super serious what I'm doing. Some systems stuff with rust, implementing my own desktop apps with iced, porting old DOS games to Linux... It is a very good model.
	▲	computerex 16 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		You are speaking out of your ass, that’s what I take issue with. Falsifiability is something I hold sacred and you are taking a dump on it. Fwiw I work in a company producing software for many fortune 500’s you have heard about and many people from our team use deepseek. I am literally using it right now. Your entire line of reasoning rubs me the wrong way. Btw check your provider and harness… improperly configured deepseek can emit dsml. If you are not passing thinking tokens back to the model it tends to do that. Use a proper harness and good provider.