You are speaking out of your ass, that’s what I take issue with. Falsifiability is something I hold sacred and you are taking a dump on it.

Fwiw I work in a company producing software for many fortune 500’s you have heard about and many people from our team use deepseek.

I am literally using it right now. Your entire line of reasoning rubs me the wrong way.

Btw check your provider and harness… improperly configured deepseek can emit dsml. If you are not passing thinking tokens back to the model it tends to do that.

Use a proper harness and good provider.

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doctorpangloss 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

"Hey Mr. Fortune 500 Client, would you prefer us to use something called DeepSeek V4.1 Flash, made by the Chinese, sending your Fortune 500 code to some random service provider on something called OpenRouter, where they promise according to something called Zero Data Retention that--"

Mr. Client: "I'm going to stop you right there. Why aren't you using Claude, or Codex, or Claude on Bedrock? Don't we deserve the best?"

You: ...

Look I don't know. I can tell from the hyperbole of your language, talking out of asses and such, that there is more to the story than you are letting on. Like Chinese users are banned from officially using Claude and Codex, for example. So many reasons that you cannot use Claude, not so much reasons to not choose to use Claude. All I am really saying is, I know DSV4 is kind of bad, that there is a lot of inauthentic activity, and that Claude and Codex refuse to do many kinds of inauthentic activity, and that a lot of coding done by outsourced shops has always been of questionable quality and purpose. I mean in my personal life, I know more people who have been scammed by Bulgarian code body shops than I know people who have used DSV4.1.

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computerex 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You are clueless.

Deepseek v4.1 flash is an open weights model. You can run it on your own hardware. You have no idea how my companies gets access to it. A very cursory Google search would reveal to you that there are many enterprise grade LLM providers that host this model on US soil with SOC2 protections.

Like: https://fireworks.ai/

Try not to talk about subjects you have no knowledge about because you are making yourself look like an idiot.

Edit: It's also clear to me that you don't deploy any LLM based system on scale because if you had you'd know why open weights models are so compelling.

Hint: it's the cost.

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doctorpangloss 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

okay, but are you US based? and can you specifically describe one of the pieces of software you are developing? it's okay if not. i am just wondering. i certainly believe that crappier stuff is cheaper!

	▲	computerex 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yes the company I work for is based in San Diego, I work remotely from Alabama. I bet you voted for trump. With brains like that.