I wish we had a "cool" GUI toolkit. GUIs are way better at this stuff. Adding point and click is so close to being a GUI, the only possible reason this is a TUI is fashion.

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jprd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How are GUIs "way better at this stuff"? I can't see it, but would like to understand how you feel that a GUI can improve on the management of automated processes at scale.

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globular-toast 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Just one example of the top of my head: filter by labels, sort by name, select a few pods using ctrl+click, view logs. GUIs were super quick at this sort of stuff in the 90s. I use kubectl myself, but when I see stuff like this it really seems like people just want GUIs again.

	▲	tough an hour ago \| parent [-]
		There's two different levels to this imho, a tui is usually still a non-bloated self-contained binary that can run on windowless server envirorments just fine. TUIs can have GUI like affordances UX/UI wise regardless of if they use the terminal as the contract or a window server/gui lib

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jswelker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Idk if you are managing k8s stuff you are probably in a terminal already. Staying in a terminal is nice. Plus having persistent multiplexer sessions is a big deal in locked down corporate environments.

I appreciate the tui.

	▲	orbital-decay 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Seems like a task for the window manager and a remote access protocol.

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ellg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been using https://github.com/longbridge/gpui-component

Imgui is also good for this

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bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think X11 is the GUI version of terminal interface

we need more experiments with X11 interfaces

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_def 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How would a "cool" GUI Toolkit look like for you?

	▲	orbital-decay 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Most common things power users seem to want from TUIs on desktop: - Easy efficient remote access. Pixel streaming and things like GTK Broadway are out. Needs a proper protocol/standard that would send styling-neutral primitives (and that is not X11 forwarding), and the entire toolkit architecture built around that. Something like SPICE/QXL but more semantics-aware? Not sure, might be too low level and chatty. - Staying in the terminal. This is a matter of window management, though a toolkit can offer good defaults so this doesn't feel janky. - Keyboard-first. Trivial. "GUI is for filthy mouse casuals" is a ludicrous idea. - Low bloat. Web and things like GTK Broadway are out. I haven't seen two similar opinions on actual architecture and stack, however being available in Rust will be a great start.

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esafak 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's what the web is for: https://ui.shadcn.com/