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▲ simonw 9 hours ago

> Academic life was dominated by Latin and, to a lesser extent, Greek. The exact share varied, but the classical languages took up generally at least half of teaching hours, and sometimes as much as 80 percent, especially earlier in the century.

That's so weird to me. How did that tradition hold on for so long? Where did it come from? Who thought that was a good idea?

▲vessenes 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This theory continues in modern elite American Universities -- they exist not to provide job skills but to deliver a "liberal education" -- one that teaches students to think, be moral, etc. (I read from the brochure here).

Those Ivies that have more job-oriented programs tend to have (at the least) those schools looked down upon in comparison to the more 'pure' academic pursuits, e.g. Cornell's Hospitality school.

While Ivies are not tied strictly to America's true upper class, serving more as a means of entry into the upper-middle and lower-upper, this sort of signaling is an important part of some of the soft benefits they provide students -- it would be gauche to be worried about a job, ne c'est pas?

▲f646993e074382f 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

n'est-ce pas ? Sincerely,the French grammar police

▲boelboel 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a thing in other countries as well. Schools which teach the classical languages in Belgium are called humaniora (literally 'more human'). About 30% of my classes were Latin and ancient Greek but we would also have more in depth art history classes.

They would lack in other education (like math and sciences) in theory but as it's also the place the best students get their education they tend to just force you to learn both (which is against some protocols afaik).

▲nitwit005 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Remember that religious study was the driving force behind much of the education that went on for a long time. If you view some version of the bible as literal divine word, learning the language it's written in makes sense.

The Catholic church only allowed mass to be delivered in a language other than Latin in the 1960s. If you wanted to simply understand what was said, you had to learn it.

▲cjbgkagh 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Signals must to be costly in order to be effective

▲neaden 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Also also hard to fake and easy to slip in. You throw in a Latin quote in your conversation and either the other person gets it and you both know you're the proper class, or they don't and you both know you're higher up the ladder than they are.

▲walthamstow 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is why grammar schools are so called, they're talking about Latin grammar

▲SoftTalker 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The term comes from the trivium: grammar, logic, and rhetoric. Yes grammar is literally part of it but more generally it's the learning of facts and definitions.

▲aitchnyu 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To know another language is to possess a second soul - Big Chuck aka Charlemagne.

Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius wrote an entire journal in Greek in the middle of enemy territory. "You could leave life right now. Let that determine what you do and say and think.". Historians criticize his Greek fluency.

▲dcminter 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Academia in Britain was intimately connected to membership of the church and, thus, to the ability to speak Latin to hold services. It held on beyond that tenure out of both momentum and prestige.

▲graemep 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That was true in medieval times. From the start of the early modern (e.g. Henry VIII) the Church of England used English for services.

The prestige also accrued because it was the language of the educated in Europe for a long time.

▲neaden an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Henry the Eighth never allowed vernacular service, that was his son Edward the VI.

▲dcminter 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree, but latin was the language of the educated in Europe because of the (Catholic) church, and the universities pre-date the C of E by several hundred years.

I was going to answer with just "the church" but the OP specifically asked about academia.

▲constantius 7 hours ago | parent [-]

It was the language of the educated because of the Roman Empire. The elites used to study how to be Roman elites before the 5th century, and when Rome fell they just continued, as it was the established sign of higher class. The elite has been educated by Cicero for the last 2 millennia, and continues to be so.

A good analogy is French being the language of the elite in Britain, well after the Normans got merged into the general population.

▲LtWorf 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All academia used latin until quite recently. Because all books were written in latin.

Why do you think all animal species have a latin name? You think the ancient romans classified them?

▲dcminter 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Genuinely bizarre comment. Why do you think the books were written in latin?

▲graemep 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They were written in Latin until well into the modern era. Newton wrote his major work in Latin, for example.

▲dcminter 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, I know. Why the confidence that this contradicts anything I said?

Edit: Re-reading I realise you were reading that as me thinking the books weren't written in Latin, whereas I was trying to get the parent poster to think a bit beyond "the books were written in Latin" to wonder why they might be written in Latin long, long after the fall of the Roman Empire.

▲graemep 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes. that was how I read it. Sorry for that but think the poster you were replying to got it either.

▲dcminter 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

The other poster seems to have got on the wrong end of the stick about something, but I don't think it's that.

▲LtWorf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because other languages didn't have a writing system, which is why every western language is using latin alphabet now.

▲dcminter 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Would you like to qualify that hilariously wrong statement a bit?

▲LtWorf 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is there a question here or just sneering?

I don't really care to waste my time since you don't really seem interested in learning anything new. Have a nice day.

▲dcminter an hour ago | parent [-]

Mostly sneering, if I'm honest. I love learning new stuff, but I'm not optimistic you can help there.

▲LtWorf an hour ago | parent [-]

Go waste someone else's time then :)

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▲52-6F-62 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who thought understanding, in depth, the fundamental bases of their legal system was a good idea?

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