> Europe continues to push policies like Chat Control and attempt to backdoor/ban E2E encryption

Some politicians in Europe push for that, until now it has been refused by the others. Unlike in the US, there are many different parties in European countries. And Europe is made of politicians from many parties from many countries.

> The worst parts of Patriot Act were undone in 2015

So the NSA doesn't do any kind of domestic surveillance anymore, is that what you believe?

> the "F" in FISA stands for "Foreign". [...] Europe continues to push policies [...] for domestic surveillance.

So if it's surveilling allies, it's all good in your opinion?

> The present day and trajectory in Europe is far far more grim than in the US.

"Far far"? Do you even realise that Europe is not one single country? The US elected Trump, twice.

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qeternity an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, I am an American living in Europe. I have pretty good insight into all of this.

> Some politicians in Europe push for that, until now it has been refused by the others. Unlike in the US, there are many different parties in European countries. And Europe is made of politicians from many parties from many countries.

And yet neither party in the US is pushing for it...

> So the NSA doesn't do any kind of domestic surveillance anymore, is that what you believe?

Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Or if you believe this without evidence, do you have any evidence this is not occurring in Europe?

> So if it's surveilling allies, it's all good in your opinion?

Lol, lmao even. Yes, of course it is. Allies spy on each other. The Europeans do it to each other massively and have done since the dawn of Europe. Good lord, go read some history.

> "Far far"? Do you even realise that Europe is not one single country? The US elected Trump, twice.

Again, I live in Europe. I am well aware, but thanks for the classic European condescension. I don't like Trump. But how has he weakened privacy rights? And yes, beacause I don't want to write dozens of caveats for each teeny tiny member state, I consider Europe to be dominated by happenings in DE + FR + UK. I don't care what Latvia does.

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TomGarden 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> thanks for the classic European condescension.

This is such a strange statement about a massively culturally diverse part of the world.

Many European countries speak such poor English that it'd be a miracle if they developed some sort of unified condescension.

I'd argue a big part of Europe not performing as well as other parts of the world economically is the LACK of any defined culture, it's really more like a hodgepodge of countries that have a thin layer of cooperation

	▲	qeternity 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I have no clue what English comprehension, monolith culture, and condescension have to do with one another? Or even the presumption that I only speak English? It's not a strange statement in the slightest if you live here or spend any appreciable time here. I take it you do not.

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rebolek 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t care about Latvia and I don’t care about some dickhead who "lives in Europe" and knows it all. And I’m not even from Latvia, you’re just pathetic.

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awestroke 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures

	▲	qeternity 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> So the NSA doesn't do any kind of domestic surveillance anymore Yes, of course. That is why GP said "anymore". Thanks for playing!

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andrepd 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This comment could not have been more stereotypically American. I stress "stereotypical", I'm obviously not saying Americans in general are like this.

> I don't like Trump. But how has he weakened privacy rights?

Attacks on rule of law and civil liberties have increased, and the right to privacy is one of those liberties. It's of course not limited to Trump, he wasn't in office when Snowden showed the world the scale of American mass surveillance on domestic and foreign citizens.

> Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

I'm totally unsure what you are attempting to imply. That mass surveillance by the American state stopped at some point in the last 10 years?

> Allies spy on each other. The Europeans do it to each other massively and have done since the dawn of Europe. Good lord, go read some history.

What does that even mean "read history" ahaha. Espionage != mass surveillance. You do understand the difference, do you not?

> thanks for the classic European condescension

> I consider Europe to be dominated by happenings in DE + FR + UK. I don't care what Latvia does.

l m a o. Oh say can you see...