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▲ whatever1 2 hours ago

Remember when they were telling us how important the 5G race was and how critical was for the US to lead it?

And now they are just giving it away ?

▲jillesvangurp an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The alternative would be trying to file court cases outside the US for Qualcomm, which is where Huawei does most of its business and infringing.

There's a long history of various companies doing patent license deals like this in the telecom industry. Nokia still earns a lot of money this way, for example. Apple settled with them on a few occasions.

Speaking of which; Apple has its own 5G chips now so they are a bit less dependent on Qualcomm now. Huawei and Apple both have a lot of their own in house technology at this point. But of course Qualcomm always was a strong IP company with lots of patents and its impossible for either to make phones without infringing on at least some of those patterns. And vice versa, a lot of Qualcomm's stuff would necessarily infringe on some patents by others.

That's why these cross licensing deals like this are usually the outcome of disputes around IP.

▲AlanYx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're not giving it away, rather they're essentially forming a patent oligopoly. Huawei and Qualcomm together hold the bulk of patents for 5G. It's of no value to them to try to litigate against each other. Here they're getting a cross-licensing deal that will solidify their patent licensing wall/revenues.

Is it potentially anticompetitive? Yes.

▲dozerly an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No corporations would enter an agreement that is pro-competition, doesn’t make sense. That’s where government needs to step up and provide some value

▲AlanYx 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's a hard area for the government to navigate because IP is designed to confer monopoly power. As long as Qualcomm walks a careful line on licensing costs/behaviour, they probably think the risk of being the target of antitrust sanctions is limited or manageable.

Consumers will likely pay incrementally higher prices though.

▲whizzter 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Asking Gemini it seems their patents covers about 25% of the number of applicable patents, behind them is Samsung, Ericsson and Nokia.

No breakdown on the age of the patents though so it'd be interesting to see how things evolve over the years.

▲AlanYx 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

AFAIK, a lot of the Ericsson and Nokia patents are legacy. Companies still need to license them, but they're not targeted at the latest generation of 5G polar codes, MIMO OFDM implementations, etc. Not sure about Samsung.

Qualcomm does more than 5 billion a year in patent licensing revenue. It's a licensing behemoth.

▲vachina 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Huawei has been leading in 5G deployments until US decides him and his allies cannot be friends with Huawei.

Qualcomm will benefit greatly from this arrangement.

▲yftsui 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Leading in 5G deployments yet cannot make a 5G phone?

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▲bayindirh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nokia and Ericsson is leading telecommunications without making 5G phones.

I'm not talking about the company which makes "Nokia Phones". I'm talking about Nokia the infrastructure company.

▲pjmlp an hour ago | parent [-]

Which nowadays owns the birthplace of UNIX.

▲froh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HUAWEI Mate 20 X 5G was launched in 2019, so what exactly are you referencing here?

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▲dudisubekti an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

?

They've been making their own 5g phones since 2023 (mate 60)

▲earldennison an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

maybe 6g is on the way and they don't care about 5g anymore.

▲kotaKat an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nortel 2.0.

Canada remembers how fucked over we got in espionage.

Now Qualcomm’s just giving them it on a silver platter.