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▲ nradov 3 hours ago

We don't actually need anybody worrying about silly hypothetical scenarios — at least not as paid employees. There are already a surplus of sci-fi authors doing that.

▲0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The way it works in practice seems to be something like: If a risk is covered in sci-fi, people will say "that's just sci-fi", and proceed to not worry about it. So arguably, science fiction authors writing about hypotheticals is actively counterproductive for addressing said hypotheticals.

Imagine, for example, if a major piece of pandemic fiction was published in 2019, trying to explore how a pandemic would work out in modern society. Doubtless, many would've responded to news about COVID-19 by saying "it's just sci-fi, nothing to worry about".

▲slashdave 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Not at all. We say "That's just sci-fi" when a story is written about some kind of effect that is extraordinary and without a basis in known science or technology.

A pandemic is perfectly plausible.

▲biophysboy 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s nothing wrong with bold predictions, but they should be paired with good methods. The doom predictions are not paired with good explanation.

▲0xDEAFBEAD 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Doomers have invested a ton of time in explanations. Here are a couple just off the top of my head:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kgb58RL88YChkkBNf/the-proble...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wy3xyoXYt8

Doomers have been working to explain things for years: https://www.lesswrong.com/w/ai-safety-public-materials-1

▲mitthrowaway2 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Black Mirror is helping us prevent all sorts of dystopian outcomes. Every time they depict another way technology could result in bad things happening, we can rule it out as fiction!

▲anon7725 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah except pandemics are not novel, unlike AI doom scenarios.

▲estearum an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's good that new bad things never happen.

▲slashdave 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

Bad things happen all the time. Let's concern ourselves about the real bad things. There is enough of that to go around.

▲0xDEAFBEAD an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Species extinctions are far from novel. Transformative technological advances are far from novel.

▲kmeisthax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There was plenty of pandemic fiction already; people were watching it heaps during 2020. The COVID-19 news did get blown off, but it was mainly that:

1. Normal people assumed the CDC et all would contain the outbreak early, or that it would burn out, like what happened with SARS

2. World leaders brushed it off for a variety of subreasons[0] interesting to political scientists but, for the purposes of this discussion, all boil down to "but I don't WAAANA contain a pandemic."

The underlying problem is that in order for humanity to actually deal with a catastrophic risk, the risk needs to be both plausible enough to the average person as well as have a solution whose costs are not too high. For COVID, by the time the risk was clearly known, the cost to contain it was "refrain from human socialization and remain at home for an indeterminate amount of time plugged into the Metaverse™".

Now, let's look at AI extinction risks:

1. People are aware of them (I've watched Terminator!) and the risks are plausible. However, the connection to currently existing AI is not. As far as the general public is aware, AI is that thing that tells them to eat rocks when they Google old The Onion stories and floods their social media timelines with realistic-looking pictures of Shrimp Jesus.

2. The purported solutions to extinction risks require extreme concentrations of power: you need national control of AI research, bans on large GPU deployments, bans on training on publicly-available copyrighted data, some kind of military effort to render Chinese AI labs inert or dead, etc. Some of these may be attractive to some people[1] but the whole package taken together seems like an obvious power grab, if not outright invocation of other non-AI extinction risks. Like, at some point, if the AI wants to kill us, it just has to nuke its own data centers (or the data centers hosting a competing model) and hope the old Cold War nuclear retaliation systems take the bait.

If someone said, "Hey, your guinea pig or pet rat is going to eat you tomorrow unless you engineer a pathogen that eradicates all rodents from this planet and inject it inside yourself", you probably would tell them to pound sand, even if it is at least theoretically plausible that such a thing would come to pass.

[0] Xi Jinping censored initial discussion of the pandemic as fake news. Donald Trump thought it was going to only affect China. California and the UK Tories were partying in violation of their own lockdown rules. Japan took the excuse to shut down tourism for three years and massively restrict immigration but was, from what I'm told, constitutionally prohibited from implementing any domestic lockdown rules.

[1] I personally would like to see a moratorium on new data centers and an explicit revocation of the EU Text and Data Mining copyright exception

▲0xDEAFBEAD 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

>the connection to currently existing AI is not.

It becomes a lot clearer when you listen to the people resigning from AI companies and learn about incidents like the HuggingFace incident. This has generated major press coverage.

As for solutions, I think you're a little too pessimistic. See, for example, https://nothingismere.substack.com/p/a-near-term-policy-for-...

▲Hammershaft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If organizations actually succeed in making a future AI smarter than us, then how do you hope that it takes actions that are aligned with our interests?

▲nradov an hour ago | parent [-]

Meh. Lots of people are already smarter than me. I'm maybe slightly above average at best. Those geniuses aren't aligned with my interests either but so far they haven't caused me any serious problems.

▲pixl97 an hour ago | parent [-]

Interesting take. I guess this is one problem of focusing on the term superintelligence instead of the list of other problems. Like super ambition, super deception, super patience, super parallelism, super scalability, super power seeking.

Every, and I mean every human is aligned to you in many of the same ways by default. If nothing else we're all equal in death.

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▲thelastgallon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI safety is mostly a sex cult in Berkeley:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49831269 article is gone. archive: https://archive.is/QMo1k

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49737985

Sex, AI, and the Apocalypse: https://www.iankduncan.com/personal/2026-09-16-sex-ai-and-th...

Edit: I have no take on sex cults, just adding additional info to the parent comment I'm responding to, thats is not just sci-fi authors, there is another demographic.

▲ToValueFunfetti 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The article is gone because the author retracted it

▲Hammershaft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't see how that discredits any of their intellectual arguments?

▲johndhi an hour ago | parent [-]

Its certainly worth considering...

▲0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems like an ad hominem? "He has weird kinks, therefore his theories are incorrect." Should we investigate the sex lives of every Nobel Prize winner to figure out which prizes need to be rescinded?

▲socializer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What you do in private is up to you. But when you're inviting members of your congregation to orgies in the congregation's compound, I think you earn the label. My admittedly third-hand understanding is that this is what people allude to. And even if you discredit the "sex" part, it has the hallmarks of a cult. A hermetic community committed to unfalsifiable beliefs about the coming apocalypse.

To be fair, I don't know if any of this applies to the parent story; I'm just replying to the sub-thread.

▲junofan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The cult aspect is more salient. Ultimately the Atlantic piece comes down to controlling people, which is a little cult-like.

▲0xDEAFBEAD an hour ago | parent [-]

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▲nradov an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Lots of Nobel Prizes ought to be rescinded.

https://lexfridman.com/andrew-scull-transcript#the-ice-pick-...

▲0xDEAFBEAD an hour ago | parent [-]

Sure... on the basis of the work that was done, not because the researcher has the wrong sexual fetish.

▲johndhi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Lol this was crazy I hadn't heard this before

▲Loquebantur 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What makes you think, the scenarios in question here would be "silly"?

Is it that "chatbots" can't come out of the screen to immediately harm you physically?

Let's say they simply manage to take down the internet. How many would die?

▲nradov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So what. Various attackers managed to take down large chunks of the Internet on a frequent basis before LLMs even existed. This killed very few people. The great thing about the Internet is how resilient it is.

▲bravetraveler 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Darling companies of this very website have mistakenly brought down large portions of the internet thanks to our old friend BGP. No attacks required, just small oversights and unfortunate concentration on the business/IP space! This happens regularly.

Anyway, to your point, things can be resilient. They tend to be or not be... because we made them that way. Don't poke your bruises, and all that. Life support is deployed on-campus but relies on a single-point IPSec tunnel to us-east? Easy fix: stop that.

▲goolz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is that they are chatbots. If it were real AI, an actual singularity, I would worry, maybe. But it isn’t. They are absurdly powerful automation tools that can handle logic better than a human can dream of. They take care of the grunt minutiae without complaint. But they are not going to end the world in their current form.

▲pixl97 an hour ago | parent [-]

So we're going to wait till after they can adopt a form they can end the world in?

And he'll, we need to examine all the risks. AI ending is a large but lower risk problem. AI giving people the power to end us is a problem that is starting to happen now.

And that's not even counting 'minor' problems like society falling apart.

▲SV_BubbleTime an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Let's say they simply manage to take down the internet.

geez, don’t threaten me with a good time.

I think a month without internet would be a fucking amazing lesson for what it means to make things durable and reliable.

▲BLKNSLVR an hour ago | parent [-]

That Simpsons episode when Marge managed to get Itchy and Scratchy banned briefly.

The kids opening their houses front doors into the outside, rubbing their eyes and looking around at this new world.