| ▲ | hnedeotes 3 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||
MTG is also severely constrained (small hand, mana -> possible moves) although I don't think it's anywhere near the same. In my opinion the rules are effectively what change the whole dynamics. You can't plan as efficiently without knowing what your opponent holds and having to take into account all possibilities (with infinite energy/compute time perhaps)... I don't doubt you can train a model to play well, I just think it should be much more level to the human player. In MtG you also have the randomness which is not easy to model nor account for - the perfect play by an LLM can be the worse once the opponet draws next. In my own game you don't have shuffle/draw randomness but the pool of options is statistically tending to infinite (if I would have 500 or 1000 scrolls designed and MtG depending on the format has that depth) when compared to something like chess, or this game. On the other hand in my own game you have to account for much more depth on the possible options your opponent has. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | dragontamer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | ||||||||||||||||
There's only so many card interactions that strong players actually think about. Ex: you don't really care if the opponent plays Giant Growth or Chastise. The effect is that the opponent is playing a combat trick, and combat has moved from attackers favor into defenders favor. To defeat an instant speed combat trick requires a combat trick of your own, or a generic counter spell of some kind. Some have interactions (ex: Doom Blade beats Giant Growth but not Chastise), but the overall gist is that opponents can do things after combat is declared. You only need to keep track of how many combat tricks you think the opponent has. --------- Other situations are card advantage (ex: 2 for 1. If the opponent spends 1 cards to defeat only 2 cards of yours). The traditional card for this is Mindrot, but well placed counterspell can turn a combat trick into. 2-for-1 reversal. You don't necessarily keep track of how your opponent makes 2-for-1 opportunities. You just have vague gists of them. --------- Good spells have huge applicability. Doom blade or Murder is high because killing opponent creatures at instant speed handles the vast majority of creature buffed combat tricks, and also serves as a way to stop enemy combos and other such tricks. In contrast, chastise is very niche. If the opponent were playing like Swords to Plowshares (powerful white instant speed removal), it's pretty much always better than chastise. If the opponent plays chastise instead, you take that as a win because you know they could have had a deck of better cards. But for whatever reason decided to play with weaker cards... | |||||||||||||||||
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